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Post by northernsoul on Feb 17, 2024 20:25:42 GMT
It is completely taking the piss really regarding Branthwaite and England. If he had been brought through the ranks at Arsenal or Manchester United he would have been introduced to the full England set up far earlier. Now even with his exploits for the U21 side and in The Premier League, Southgate is still umming and arring about him - he needs to understand that Branthwaite will still be in the England set up far longer than he will. There are a couple of England friendlies in March and then a couple more before the Euros so surely Branthwaite will get given a cap and we need him to as it will put his valuation up by quite a bit more. And trigger a decent payment for us An international cap is usually the biggest of the one off payments
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Post by 09sider on Feb 17, 2024 20:45:50 GMT
Hope any money that we get goes toward the new training facility and not spunked away by the Simpson and Abbott recruitment circus.
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Post by dstander on Feb 18, 2024 9:46:42 GMT
It is completely taking the piss really regarding Branthwaite and England. If he had been brought through the ranks at Arsenal or Manchester United he would have been introduced to the full England set up far earlier. Now even with his exploits for the U21 side and in The Premier League, Southgate is still umming and arring about him - he needs to understand that Branthwaite will still be in the England set up far longer than he will. Coming through the ranks at one of the biggest clubs exposes you to far more pressure and big games than playing for a team in a relegation fight, hence why managers know you’re far more ready for the pressures of playing for England. How do you know Southgate is still umming and arring about him?
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Post by munchymagic on Feb 18, 2024 12:40:26 GMT
It is completely taking the piss really regarding Branthwaite and England. If he had been brought through the ranks at Arsenal or Manchester United he would have been introduced to the full England set up far earlier. Now even with his exploits for the U21 side and in The Premier League, Southgate is still umming and arring about him - he needs to understand that Branthwaite will still be in the England set up far longer than he will. Coming through the ranks at one of the biggest clubs exposes you to far more pressure and big games than playing for a team in a relegation fight, hence why managers know you’re far more ready for the pressures of playing for England. How do you know Southgate is still umming and arring about him? What a strange post - you are obviously still smarting from last week. Fighting for your life to stay in the league I would class as having more or at least as much pressure than chasing glory at the other end of the table. It may change but at this current time Southgate has not called him up yet hence the umming and arring comment. I hope this helps.
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Post by northernsoul on Feb 18, 2024 12:49:55 GMT
It is completely taking the piss really regarding Branthwaite and England. If he had been brought through the ranks at Arsenal or Manchester United he would have been introduced to the full England set up far earlier. Now even with his exploits for the U21 side and in The Premier League, Southgate is still umming and arring about him - he needs to understand that Branthwaite will still be in the England set up far longer than he will. Coming through the ranks at one of the biggest clubs exposes you to far more pressure and big games than playing for a team in a relegation fight, hence why managers know you’re far more ready for the pressures of playing for England. How do you know Southgate is still umming and arring about him? Well i had a meet up last week wth someone who was a BDM in my pub days who did me a lot of favours who i have a lot of respect for and who i got pretty close to but who i hadnt met with since the day we played Everton at Goodison [ he was retired and living abroad in Portugal by the time of the more recent game at BP ] but hes back now and we bumped into each other online. Anyway to get onto what i was told My man has had a season ticket at Goodison since he was 13 and who moves in circles close to those who have run that club for the past 20 years [ he was a personal friend of Kenwright away from football and is distantly related to the woman who was chief exec] and his take on Branthwaite is that he is the most complete footballer for his age that he has ever seen. But it was what he told me thats good news for us and that is he is pretty sure the sell on figure is 17.5% with some very generous add ons and that unless the on off take over goes thru before the summer [ which its very unlikely to unless both cases of the points deductions are sorted very quickly and they get an assurance that there isnt another one coming down the line for the following period which he thinks there is if you look at the figures] they will have no choice but to sell players to bring in 150 million the cost of fitting out the new stadium that they currently simply dont have but cant be seen as not having in order to get the stadium ready to move into And he is 100% certain that JB is one of the players who will be sold to raise that money probrably after the Euros by which time his stock and price will hopefully have risen considerably. So there you go thats what i know and that comes from as near to the horses mouth as you could possibly get.
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Post by dstander on Feb 18, 2024 14:11:31 GMT
Coming through the ranks at one of the biggest clubs exposes you to far more pressure and big games than playing for a team in a relegation fight, hence why managers know you’re far more ready for the pressures of playing for England. How do you know Southgate is still umming and arring about him? What a strange post - you are obviously still smarting from last week. Fighting for your life to stay in the league I would class as having more or at least as much pressure than chasing glory at the other end of the table. It may change but at this current time Southgate has not called him up yet hence the umming and arring comment. I hope this helps. Doesn’t really help at all. Southgate hasn’t named a squad for over 3 months, at which time Branthwaite had only made about 10 PL appearances this season and had barely featured for the u21’s - he could barely get a game for them last summer. Is it not possible that Southgate had made up his mind after some consistently good appearances by him in those 3 months? Total guesswork that he’s “still umming and arring” It’s a widely recognised that international managers favour players from bigger clubs due their exposure to big match football. If you think a youngster having a free hit in a side mid-table or down the bottom of the league is exposed to the same pressures as CL knockout stages, title run-ins and cup finals then you’re dafter than I first thought, if that’s possible!
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Post by munchymagic on Feb 18, 2024 14:22:22 GMT
What a strange post - you are obviously still smarting from last week. Fighting for your life to stay in the league I would class as having more or at least as much pressure than chasing glory at the other end of the table. It may change but at this current time Southgate has not called him up yet hence the umming and arring comment. I hope this helps. Doesn’t really help at all. Southgate hasn’t named a squad for over 3 months, at which time Branthwaite had only made about 10 PL appearances this season and had barely featured for the u21’s - he could barely get a game for them last summer. Is it not possible that Southgate had made up his mind after some consistently good appearances by him in those 3 months? Total guesswork that he’s “still umming and arring” It’s a widely recognised that international managers favour players from bigger clubs due their exposure to big match football. If you think a youngster having a free hit in a side mid-table or down the bottom of the league is exposed to the same pressures as CL knockout stages, title run-ins and cup finals then you’re dafter than I first thought, if that’s possible! Hahaha I knew that you were itching for an argument. I completely forgot that there is no pressure at all in being in a team fighting relegation - your stats as a player exist whichever Premier League team you play for, fighting relegation or going for the title and his are right up there above the defenders going for the title. You are like an old hen - you will be bringing up why there is no use in pods for the non existent homeless 'again' in a minute.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 14:28:35 GMT
Doesn’t really help at all. Southgate hasn’t named a squad for over 3 months, at which time Branthwaite had only made about 10 PL appearances this season and had barely featured for the u21’s - he could barely get a game for them last summer. Is it not possible that Southgate had made up his mind after some consistently good appearances by him in those 3 months? Total guesswork that he’s “still umming and arring” It’s a widely recognised that international managers favour players from bigger clubs due their exposure to big match football. If you think a youngster having a free hit in a side mid-table or down the bottom of the league is exposed to the same pressures as CL knockout stages, title run-ins and cup finals then you’re dafter than I first thought, if that’s possible! Hahaha I knew that you were itching for an argument. I completely forgot that there is no pressure at all in being in a team fighting relegation - your stats as a player exist whichever Premier League team you play for, fighting relegation or going for the title and his are right up there above the defenders going for the title. You are like an old hen - you will be bringing up why there is no use in pods for the non existent homeless 'again' in a minute. Was interesting hearing Chris Wilder say he had a player say to him he didn’t want a relegation on his cv so turned down a move to Sheff Utd in Jan. Maybe is viewed as a huge negative by many in the game, obviously will be for Managers, not sure it would be too much for Branthwaite but could well be wrong. I’d say he is under a bit of pressure though, they all are at Everton, it was Blackburn where he had a free hit really.
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Post by munchymagic on Feb 18, 2024 14:35:20 GMT
Hahaha I knew that you were itching for an argument. I completely forgot that there is no pressure at all in being in a team fighting relegation - your stats as a player exist whichever Premier League team you play for, fighting relegation or going for the title and his are right up there above the defenders going for the title. You are like an old hen - you will be bringing up why there is no use in pods for the non existent homeless 'again' in a minute. Was interesting hearing Chris Wilder say he had a player say to him he didn’t want a relegation on his cv so turned down a move to Sheff Utd in Jan. Maybe is viewed as a huge negative by many in the game, obviously will be for Managers, not sure it would be too much for Branthwaite but could well be wrong. I’d say his under a bit of pressure though, they all are at Everton. I suppose he is in a bit of a false position because of the points deduction and he is really playing for a mid-table team. Makes you wonder though if their feeling of injustice has actually bonded them together and more determined to avoid the drop.
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Post by dstander on Feb 18, 2024 16:16:03 GMT
Doesn’t really help at all. Southgate hasn’t named a squad for over 3 months, at which time Branthwaite had only made about 10 PL appearances this season and had barely featured for the u21’s - he could barely get a game for them last summer. Is it not possible that Southgate had made up his mind after some consistently good appearances by him in those 3 months? Total guesswork that he’s “still umming and arring” It’s a widely recognised that international managers favour players from bigger clubs due their exposure to big match football. If you think a youngster having a free hit in a side mid-table or down the bottom of the league is exposed to the same pressures as CL knockout stages, title run-ins and cup finals then you’re dafter than I first thought, if that’s possible! Hahaha I knew that you were itching for an argument. I completely forgot that there is no pressure at all in being in a team fighting relegation - your stats as a player exist whichever Premier League team you play for, fighting relegation or going for the title and his are right up there above the defenders going for the title. You are like an old hen - you will be bringing up why there is no use in pods for the non existent homeless 'again' in a minute. No pressure at all? Your words not mine. I’ll itch for an argument if I see people saying things I don’t agree with, something which you seem to do constantly! You can level quite a few accusations at Southgate, but not giving lads a chance who play for less-fashionable clubs isn’t one of them. Don’t think there’s ever been an England manager in my lifetime who has used players from such a wide range of clubs.
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Post by northernsoul on Feb 18, 2024 16:26:04 GMT
Was interesting hearing Chris Wilder say he had a player say to him he didn’t want a relegation on his cv so turned down a move to Sheff Utd in Jan. Maybe is viewed as a huge negative by many in the game, obviously will be for Managers, not sure it would be too much for Branthwaite but could well be wrong. I’d say his under a bit of pressure though, they all are at Everton. I suppose he is in a bit of a false position because of the points deduction and he is really playing for a mid-table team. Makes you wonder though if their feeling of injustice has actually bonded them together and more determined to avoid the drop. The word is the points deduction will halved or even downgraded to a fine as its a first offence because as it is it leaves them with nowhere to go what if a club exceeds their limits by twice what Everton did what do they get 20 points ? which is automatic relegation territory. And then theres the question of Man City [ where yes its slightly different and a lot more complicated ] but their figures make Evertons fade into insignificance So what are they going to do with them ? Cant really fine them as it means nothing to the Arabs and theyd just go away sniggering under their breaths job done.
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Post by blue22 on Feb 18, 2024 16:41:26 GMT
Coming through the ranks at one of the biggest clubs exposes you to far more pressure and big games than playing for a team in a relegation fight, hence why managers know you’re far more ready for the pressures of playing for England. How do you know Southgate is still umming and arring about him? Well i had a meet up last week wth someone who was a BDM in my pub days who did me a lot of favours who i have a lot of respect for and who i got pretty close to but who i hadnt met with since the day we played Everton at Goodison [ he was retired and living abroad in Portugal by the time of the more recent game at BP ] but hes back now and we bumped into each other online. Anyway to get onto what i was told My man has had a season ticket at Goodison since he was 13 and who moves in circles close to those who have run that club for the past 20 years [ he was a personal friend of Kenwright away from football and is distantly related to the woman who was chief exec] and his take on Branthwaite is that he is the most complete footballer for his age that he has ever seen. But it was what he told me thats good news for us and that is he is pretty sure the sell on figure is 17.5% with some very generous add ons and that unless the on off take over goes thru before the summer [ which its very unlikely to unless both cases of the points deductions are sorted very quickly and they get an assurance that there isnt another one coming down the line for the following period which he thinks there is if you look at the figures] they will have no choice but to sell players to bring in 150 million the cost of fitting out the new stadium that they currently simply dont have but cant be seen as not having in order to get the stadium ready to move into And he is 100% certain that JB is one of the players who will be sold to raise that money probrably after the Euros by which time his stock and price will hopefully have risen considerably. So there you go thats what i know and that comes from as near to the horses mouth as you could possibly get.
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Post by blue22 on Feb 18, 2024 16:47:02 GMT
I was led to believe it is 20% which given he was a first team player when he went and not just a youth player, it is very possible that figure is true and something Everton would of agreed to, to get it over the line, if true then a huge amount of money will be heading our way if and when he moves. Maybe enough to build two new end stands and training facilities, a huge win for the club but either way 17.5 is massive also.
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Post by ccu on Feb 19, 2024 21:03:06 GMT
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