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Post by pigletphoenix on May 4, 2024 22:21:46 GMT
yorkieblue I don't reckon you can conveniently pigeon hole the on the field stuff away and say the Piataks are not responsible for this. The "trust" they have in Mary Poppins has arguably been their biggest failure of all. Ultimately, what happens on the pitch is the true manifestation of how well they are performing as our owners. Your view, but they`re likely having 15 years of shite to sort out, so I`m ok cutting them a chunk of slack, they are astute people, I`m certain they`ll be good for us in the long term. Certain? I don't reckon anyone has a crystal ball. You can have the best intentions in the world as a football club owner, but if you lack football expertise the whole endeavour can be a total and utter disaster. They had a decent platform (in football terms) when they arrived at the club in November, which they've managed to destroy in quite spectacular fashion. I don't reckon the 23/24 season was "shite that had to be sorted out" either, in fairness. I get the build for the future rationale, but in football you can never do this at the expense of the short and medium term. The disastrous decisions taken since November were not an inevitable part of "fixing" the club.
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Post by yorkieblue on May 4, 2024 22:53:53 GMT
Your view, but they`re likely having 15 years of shite to sort out, so I`m ok cutting them a chunk of slack, they are astute people, I`m certain they`ll be good for us in the long term. Certain? I don't reckon anyone has a crystal ball. You can have the best intentions in the world as a football club owner, but if you lack football expertise the whole endeavour can be a total and utter disaster. They had a decent platform (in football terms) when they arrived at the club in November, which they've managed to destroy in quite spectacular fashion. I don't reckon the 23/24 season was "shite that had to be sorted out" either, in fairness. I get the build for the future rationale, but in football you can never do this at the expense of the short and medium term. The disastrous decisions taken since November were not an inevitable part of "fixing" the club. Yes, certain, my opinion. With respect to season 23/24, I`m assuming you mean 22/23, which was good - on the pitch, now I can only go on what I hear and read but I gather we had a lower League 2 budget, in which case the success that season would be down to Simmo and the players. Again, my opinion, prior to November 2023 we`ve had 15 years of managed decline, which ain`t gonna be sorted out quickly, but our football club, despite the disappointment of relegation this season, can look forward to better times.
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Post by pigletphoenix on May 4, 2024 23:07:53 GMT
Certain? I don't reckon anyone has a crystal ball. You can have the best intentions in the world as a football club owner, but if you lack football expertise the whole endeavour can be a total and utter disaster. They had a decent platform (in football terms) when they arrived at the club in November, which they've managed to destroy in quite spectacular fashion. I don't reckon the 23/24 season was "shite that had to be sorted out" either, in fairness. I get the build for the future rationale, but in football you can never do this at the expense of the short and medium term. The disastrous decisions taken since November were not an inevitable part of "fixing" the club. Yes, certain, my opinion. With respect to season 23/24, I`m assuming you mean 22/23, which was good - on the pitch, now I can only go on what I hear and read but I gather we had a lower League 2 budget, in which case the success that season would be down to Simmo and the players. Again, my opinion, prior to November 2023 we`ve had 15 years of managed decline, which ain`t gonna be sorted out quickly, but our football club, despite the disappointment of relegation this season, can look forward to better times. Apologies yes, 22/23, my bad. Why would you believe Mary Poppins claiming we had a "bottom six" budget back then when he was caught out saying we'd only have a "mid-table budget" next season? He's been caught, bang to rights, there blowing his own trumpet and self assessing himself as a miracle worker. Also, I'm not sure you can class promotion in 22/23 as "managed decline"? What's your rationale for describing it as such? Relegation doesn't necessarily lead to "better times". Currently I see zero grounds for optimism next season. Fully appreciate you're saying "long term" and next season clearly isn't "long term". So the question is how long do we have to wait and how much damage is going to be done before this "long term success" arrives? What is going to have to change? When will the Piataks have their epiphany? It took the Three Amigos nine seasons to pull the club back up to Division Three. What's your opinion on how long it will take the Piataks? If we're relegated again next season (a very real possibility right now) what does this mean for the "long term"? Anything at all?
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Post by yorkieblue on May 5, 2024 7:08:14 GMT
Well, there`s one thing for certain, this time next year we may have a better idea of what the future holds, Simmo will have had his summer budget, he, or perhaps a different manager, will have had their January budget, we`ll be able to see the progress of the ground and training improvements, the Piatak family will have had a full season as owners of the Blues, season ticket prices might be going up . Despite the disappointment of relegation, there`s plenty to be optimistic about - in my opinion.
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Post by markovitch1928 on May 5, 2024 7:14:22 GMT
Well, there`s one thing for certain, this time next year we may have a better idea of what the future holds, Simmo will have had his summer budget, he, or perhaps a different manager, will have had their January budget, we`ll be able to see the progress of the ground and training improvements, the Piatak family will have had a full season as owners of the Blues, season ticket prices might be going up . Despite the disappointment of relegation, there`s plenty to be optimistic about - in my opinion. Totally agree, we're moving forward. Tim is entitled to his opinion, but there are many reasons to conclude that not all is doom and gloom. Lets see where we are at the end of September
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Post by rocket on May 6, 2024 17:42:40 GMT
They have achieved more in 6 months than the previous incompetents did in 14 years. The previous incompetents won us promotion to Division Three. The current incompetents have relegated us back to Division Four in style. "Achieved more"? No. The part you've conveniently ignored is that the previous incompetents first had to get us relegated from League 1 before they could win us promotion back with a mountain of debt to EWM
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Post by moonie on May 6, 2024 17:50:05 GMT
The previous incompetents won us promotion to Division Three. The current incompetents have relegated us back to Division Four in style. "Achieved more"? No. The part you've conveniently ignored is that the previous incompetents first had to get us relegated from League 1 before they could win us promotion back with a mountain of debt to EWM This. Not to mention that they took charge of the club whilst it was as high as it's been in the last 40 years.
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