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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 26, 2024 18:24:12 GMT
You`re right there blues86, just seen in more detail the structure of the bridge, and the ship hit one of the main supporting pillars, which caused the whole lot to come down, you`d think they might have designed it differently what with all those huge ships passing under it all day.
And in other news...a $30m lawsuit has been filed against P Diddy, in relation to s** traffic***g, and named in the documents is Prince Harry....but NO allegations have been made against him, his name just appears in the filing.
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Post by blues86 on Mar 26, 2024 18:34:34 GMT
It was built in the 70s. I think these days they look at the vessels using the shipping lanes and try to design bridges to withstand strikes by those types. But container ships are massive so it might have collapsed regardless, I don't know. The below image is one passing under the same bridge, gives you an idea of the scale of the vessel Vs the bridge supports.
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Post by orfc on Mar 26, 2024 19:57:15 GMT
Care to list 2 or 3 of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories which were later proved to be correct? Given my first post in the thread, and what news is unlikely to get any traction, how about these 3 that might be related to that event... 1) Harvey Weinsten, Accusations were made about him for years, but we were told they were all lies, and ridiculous conspiracy theories, and even oprah winfrey and meryl streep came out and defended him, and told us how silly it all was....until it wasn`t, and he went to prison. 2) Prince Andrew, He never met that girl ! OK, he might have done, but he definitely didn`t sleep with her ! Another one known about many years ago, but hushed up and anyone pushing it was destroyed by the royal family`s PR machine. Settled out of court last year didn`t he ? Which brings me nicely back to THAT island mentioned in the first post. 3) Jeffrey Epstein, There`s nothing going on at that island ! Yes, Bill Clinton went there almost 40 times, and with underage girls on the plane, at the same time, but all the Hollywood & News media talking heads debunked that, and told us how ridiculous it all was, to think that someone was making millions by letting his famous friends spend "quality time" with children, and then blackmailing them afterwards. Don`t want to derail this thread more than I already have, so back to the bridge... And it`s now claimed the ship`s power cut out, before it hit the bridge. So whilst it COULD have been an accident, once power was cut, there was no way that ship was coming to a stop, or getting out of the way, and having seen more footage of the incident, the comment about it being made of Meccano wasn`t far off, as for the whole thing to collapse like that, was very odd. Are those really conspiracy theories or just people lying to cover up their bad behaviour? I was thinking of something like the Duke of Edinburgh offing Diana, or a second shooter at JFKs assassination
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Post by blues86 on Mar 26, 2024 20:27:58 GMT
Given my first post in the thread, and what news is unlikely to get any traction, how about these 3 that might be related to that event... 1) Harvey Weinsten, Accusations were made about him for years, but we were told they were all lies, and ridiculous conspiracy theories, and even oprah winfrey and meryl streep came out and defended him, and told us how silly it all was....until it wasn`t, and he went to prison. 2) Prince Andrew, He never met that girl ! OK, he might have done, but he definitely didn`t sleep with her ! Another one known about many years ago, but hushed up and anyone pushing it was destroyed by the royal family`s PR machine. Settled out of court last year didn`t he ? Which brings me nicely back to THAT island mentioned in the first post. 3) Jeffrey Epstein, There`s nothing going on at that island ! Yes, Bill Clinton went there almost 40 times, and with underage girls on the plane, at the same time, but all the Hollywood & News media talking heads debunked that, and told us how ridiculous it all was, to think that someone was making millions by letting his famous friends spend "quality time" with children, and then blackmailing them afterwards. Don`t want to derail this thread more than I already have, so back to the bridge... And it`s now claimed the ship`s power cut out, before it hit the bridge. So whilst it COULD have been an accident, once power was cut, there was no way that ship was coming to a stop, or getting out of the way, and having seen more footage of the incident, the comment about it being made of Meccano wasn`t far off, as for the whole thing to collapse like that, was very odd. Are those really conspiracy theories or just people lying to cover up their bad behaviour? I was thinking of something like the Duke of Edinburgh offing Diana, or a second shooter at JFKs assassination There's loads of conspiracy theories that had proven to be true over the years. They have solid evidence, research and reporting behind them though.
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 27, 2024 6:19:21 GMT
Oh no ! orfc ! Don`t set me off again ! I logged off last night, thinking I should reign in the conspiracy stuff !
So briefly...
Diana was certainly a dodgy one, and it looks like she was taken out, but then having a child outside a royal marriage, will have that effect.
JFK is one that I believe we will hear the truth about, and soon. Didn`t Trump declassify every document related to it ? And over 3 years since he left office, and the CIA are still refusing to release the files, and stonewalling every chance they get.
One of the most bizarre theories I heard about JFK, was that Jackie was the shooter, she turned a gun on him, from right next to him, which is why his head exploded, and also why she felt safe climbing over the car, because she knew there was no active shooter.
Bridge - saw a video last night of the movements of the ship, and it was heading in a straight line, before turning at the last moment, and ploughing into the pillar. Also read just now, that the harbour budget was slashed, and the tugboats that would have guided it along, and helped prevent what happened, were not in the water at the time, due to the cuts.
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Post by blues86 on Mar 27, 2024 9:22:29 GMT
The Diana one is rubbish imo. Most of it seems to have been dreamt up in the mind of Al Fayed. JFK is nailed on, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for some kind of admission.
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Post by northernsoul on Mar 27, 2024 12:22:11 GMT
It's not odd that a container ship sailing straight into one of the main bridge supports would almost certainly cause it to collapse. No of course its not But on structures built today it wouldnt take the whole bridge out just the sections that were actually hit. Lots of speculation today that the design that was used wasnt the one that the funding was acquired for
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Post by ccu on Mar 27, 2024 14:30:10 GMT
The same ship had a smaller bash in Antwerp a few years ago…
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Post by moonie on Mar 27, 2024 18:41:43 GMT
Oh no ! orfc ! Don`t set me off again ! I logged off last night, thinking I should reign in the conspiracy stuff ! So briefly... Diana was certainly a dodgy one, and it looks like she was taken out, but then having a child outside a royal marriage, will have that effect. JFK is one that I believe we will hear the truth about, and soon. Didn`t Trump declassify every document related to it ? And over 3 years since he left office, and the CIA are still refusing to release the files, and stonewalling every chance they get. One of the most bizarre theories I heard about JFK, was that Jackie was the shooter, she turned a gun on him, from right next to him, which is why his head exploded, and also why she felt safe climbing over the car, because she knew there was no active shooter. Bridge - saw a video last night of the movements of the ship, and it was heading in a straight line, before turning at the last moment, and ploughing into the pillar. Also read just now, that the harbour budget was slashed, and the tugboats that would have guided it along, and helped prevent what happened, were not in the water at the time, due to the cuts. Nope, he signed off on them being held back. Under the JFK Records Act of 1992 (legislation that was passed as a direct result of the Oliver Stone film, imaginatively titled 'JFK'), all of those records should be public by now. Unfortunately, Trump (and later Biden) have played their parts in allowing some of the remaining documents to remain hidden. There are still lawsuits working their ways through the US courts, but there will be no progress. If you want to go down that rabbit hole, read up on George Joannides. A remarkable chap - chief of the 'Psychological Warfare' branch of the CIA's 'JMWAVE' station in Miami. He was heavily involved in a group known as the DRE, a group of anti-Castro Cuban exiles. In the summer of 1963, the DRE had some highly publicised run-ins with one Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. These run-ins ranged from public confrontations (leading to the arrests of Oswald and multiple DRE members) on the street, to debates that were broadcast live on the radio. A decade-and-a-half later, the CIA was asked to cooperate into a congressional investigation into the assassination of JFK. They decided to appoint a liaison to the congressional committee. The man they appointed to that position? George Joannides. And yet, no mention was made of his connections to the very man accused of the murder being investigated by the committee. Indeed, it wouldn't be until 23 years after the committee's investigation that Joannides role with the DRE would become public knowledge. Though many believe that the 'official story' is that there was no conspiracy in the JFK assassination, it is worth noting that the last official investigation conducted by the government of the United States concluded that conspiracy was likely: "The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy."This conclusion was arrived at in spite of the efforts of Joannides to conceal pertinent information (for whatever reason). Judge John R. Tunheim served as head of the Assassination Records Review Board, an agency born to oversee the gradual release of all records pertaining to the assassination in the wake of the JFK Records Act of 1992. During the mid-90's, Tunheim's ARRB ruled that records relating to Joannides were not relevant to the assassination, based largely on what they were told by the CIA. In 2013, Tunheim made it clear that he felt he had been mislead by the CIA: "There is a body of documents that the CIA is still protecting, which should be released. Relying on inaccurate representations made by the CIA in the mid-1990s, the Review Board decided that records related to a deceased CIA agent named George Joannides were not relevant to the Kennedy assassination. Subsequent work by researchers, using other records that were released by the board, demonstrates that these records should be made public."I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but the JFK Assassination is an enigma. On the surface, it seems like an 'open-and-shut' case. But make the mistake of looking into the peripheries, and Kansas goes bye-bye...
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Post by blues86 on Mar 27, 2024 21:14:31 GMT
The evidence that the official version of the JFK assassination is pure fantasy is overwhelming. On the one hand it's the worst coverup of all time being that it's painfully obvious something dodgy was going on. On the other hand it was extremely successful as nothing was ever done about it.
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 28, 2024 7:31:20 GMT
Oh FFS ! There I was ready to go back to the blue pill, and accept that ship hit a seal, which caused it to veer off course, and that P Diddy is a saint, who totally wasn`t running an industrial sized brothel for the rich and famous.
Then along comes M-orfc-eus and Moo-Neo chucking red pills at me, and trying to drag me back down the rabbit hole.
Can`t I go back to a life of ignorance, a nice steak, and sleeping with Monica Belluci ?!
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 28, 2024 7:50:21 GMT
That was an interesting read Moonie, the CIA seemed to have their fingerprints over all manner of shady goings on in US government, and didn`t JFK pledge to "break them up into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind" and also make a speech decrying secret societies, and did both not long before he was taken out ?
Surprised to hear about Trump holding any of the JFK documents back, as he often said he would declassify all of it.
And he was really close with one of the Kennedy`s, some time back in the 90`s I think, and this Kennedy was running for the position of Governor/Senator for NY. He was apparently crushing the polls, and was a dead cert to win it. But then was killed in a plane crash and his opponent, went on to win the nomination. Oh, and that opponent was Hilary Clinton.
That chap in Moonie`s avatar, that is supposedly "Shamen" for one of the more recent conspiracy movements* if you know which one and have ever read any of the posts, there was a LOT about Trump & that Kennedy mentioned in there, and a LOT about who was behind the JFK assassination, and alluded to it being covered up for a long time, but that it WILL come out.
* He never was, he`s most likely a CIA plant, to make everyone who mentioned it look bad.
Watched an old Steven Seagal film the other night, Nico, or Above the Law it is sometimes called, and the plot was about a CIA attempt to take out a US senator, and keep their drug running business going, but there was an interesting line in it, from Seagal, about the CIA being both employed and controlled by the banks, as "their boys" But it was just a film, so probably nothing.
Have you heard the JFK theory about the Umbrella Man ? Some chap who was seen in many photos, taken after it happened, and he was just leant against a wall, with an umbrella, and it`s alleged that this man, was actually one of the Bush family, I forget which one.
But it was the same Bush member, who`s name also appeared in documents, alleging the CIA were using military planes, to smuggle drugs in and out of the US. He was either CIA Director or pretty high up the chain when all this was supposedly going on.
And wasn`t the term conspiracy theorist, actually created to use against anyone who didn`t accept the official line over JFK ?
Not 100% on that, it might have been earlier, that it was created.
Oh, this is too early, time for some of those lovely blue pills, and watching some Jossy`s Giants on youtube.
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Post by blues86 on Mar 28, 2024 8:32:39 GMT
I think the 'everythings an illuminati conspiracy' brigade do the intelligence services work for them half the time on these things. Some of the theories people come out with (such as this bridge situation!) are so nuts that it discredits the much smaller number of theories which are probably true under the 'conspiracy nutter' banner.
In terms of some kind of admission on JFK or a 'smoking gun' document release, never going to happen. Think about what it would mean if they did that. Also, it's unnecessary really as roughly what happened is fairly easy to find out, if you have the time and inclination to do so.
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Post by moonie on Mar 28, 2024 19:02:28 GMT
That was an interesting read Moonie, the CIA seemed to have their fingerprints over all manner of shady goings on in US government, and didn`t JFK pledge to "break them up into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind" and also make a speech decrying secret societies, and did both not long before he was taken out ? Surprised to hear about Trump holding any of the JFK documents back, as he often said he would declassify all of it. And he was really close with one of the Kennedy`s, some time back in the 90`s I think, and this Kennedy was running for the position of Governor/Senator for NY. He was apparently crushing the polls, and was a dead cert to win it. But then was killed in a plane crash and his opponent, went on to win the nomination. Oh, and that opponent was Hilary Clinton. That chap in Moonie`s avatar, that is supposedly "Shamen" for one of the more recent conspiracy movements* if you know which one and have ever read any of the posts, there was a LOT about Trump & that Kennedy mentioned in there, and a LOT about who was behind the JFK assassination, and alluded to it being covered up for a long time, but that it WILL come out. * He never was, he`s most likely a CIA plant, to make everyone who mentioned it look bad. Watched an old Steven Seagal film the other night, Nico, or Above the Law it is sometimes called, and the plot was about a CIA attempt to take out a US senator, and keep their drug running business going, but there was an interesting line in it, from Seagal, about the CIA being both employed and controlled by the banks, as "their boys" But it was just a film, so probably nothing. Have you heard the JFK theory about the Umbrella Man ? Some chap who was seen in many photos, taken after it happened, and he was just leant against a wall, with an umbrella, and it`s alleged that this man, was actually one of the Bush family, I forget which one. But it was the same Bush member, who`s name also appeared in documents, alleging the CIA were using military planes, to smuggle drugs in and out of the US. He was either CIA Director or pretty high up the chain when all this was supposedly going on. And wasn`t the term conspiracy theorist, actually created to use against anyone who didn`t accept the official line over JFK ? Not 100% on that, it might have been earlier, that it was created. Oh, this is too early, time for some of those lovely blue pills, and watching some Jossy`s Giants on YouTube. I don't read too much into the fabled 'secret societies' speech - when heard in full context, it's clear that he was talking about communism. The umbrella belonging to the 'umbrella man' can be seen in the Zapruder Film (the most famous of the videos that captured the assassination, the other being the Nix Film) - he opens it just as Kennedy's limo is approaching the big street sign on Elm Street, and the umbrella is visible protruding beyond the sign just before the limo comes out. The original conspiracy theory about this is that the opening of the umbrella was a signal for the shooting to commence. The truth (as is often the case) appears to be much more mundane. A man by the name of Louie Witt appeared before the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and explained that he had taken the umbrella (on a warm Texas day at high noon) as a form of protest against Kennedy's family. His rationale was that Kennedy's Father was an opponent of US involvement in World War 2, and as FDR's Ambassador to the UK, he had delayed the Americans from coming to the aid of the British. Umbrellas had been used as a symbol of appeasement due to Neville Chamberlain's fondness for them. This explanation is to bizarre to be untrue IMO. As for the Bush you speak of, it's no surprise that conspiracy theories have emerged linking him to the assassination -GHWB is on the record as having been in Dallas that day (as was Richard Nixon). In fact, he'd stayed at the Sheraton Hotel, just a few blocks from Dealey Plaza - as revealed by his wife, Barbara, in later years. It gets weirder with GHWB - a 'George Bush of the CIA' was named in a memo penned by J. Edgar Hoover as having furnished info on the murder, citing a conspiracy involving anti-castro Cubans based in Miami. The CIA would try and pawn this off on a different George Bush - but he signed an affidavit to the effect that it was not him. There was also a 'George Bush of the Zapata Oil Company' making a report about the ill-feeling harboured towards Kennedy by a 'James Parrot' aarclibrary.org/notices/Affidavit_of_George_William_Bush_880921.pdfhttps://aarclibrary.org/notices/Affidavit_of_George_William_Bush_880921.pdfSpeaking of Zapata Oil, it was indeed owned by Bush. Zapata, coincidentally, was the CIA codename for the Bay of Pigs calamity. Does any of that mean he was involved? Nope. But it is absolutely typical of the bizarre peripheries of what went on in Dallas that day. I seriously advise against reading about it - I spent a long time devouring information/disinformation about 22/11/1963, and it is best described through a quote from Winston Churchill: 'a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma'.
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Post by blues86 on Mar 29, 2024 7:12:10 GMT
The official explanation given for the guy with the umbrella is laughable. But then so much of the official version is.
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