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Post by briary on Apr 11, 2024 20:21:40 GMT
Fair play for that response, glad to hear you avoid the rabbit holes. Donât not post conspiracy theories on my behalf, I donât come across any on my YouTube feed so always interesting to see what people come up with even if it leaves me perplexed!
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Apr 12, 2024 7:48:12 GMT
Cheers briary !
Don`t mind being pulled up, and corrected on things at all, as although my imagination loves the glossy side of something, I do like to keep balanced, and to hear the other side, and it also helps me know which channels are just after the clicks.
Which sadly, is SO bloody many of them !
I try to avoid my youtube feed becoming flooded with certain topics, which is why I`ll do a search for Lego, or Star Wars, or old tv clips/adverts etc, as it helps keep the topics varied, and not full of things that make my brain melt.
And one of the strangest topics I enjoy watching, is Beaver dam removals, and storm drains being unclogged !
Post10 - He goes around the US, looking for drains & culverts that have become blocked. Kenislovas - He goes around the land, I think it`s Slovakia, and ripping out Beaver dams, and keeping the streams running.
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Post by heilkmoon on Apr 12, 2024 15:42:53 GMT
I'm not completely against conspiracy theories, some do turn out to have substance, but I find people's lack of critical thinking in relation to many of them bizarre.
With the bullshit ones, the whole premise simply doesn't make sense. Like in this instance, why on earth would "they" stage a shipping accident in order to cover up a sex scandal involving P Diddy?
Firstly, if you wanted to knock that bridge down, there'd be plenty of more straightforward ways of doing it. Why not just blow it up, then pin the blame on the immigrant construction workers, or the Russians, or the Chinese, or Islamic State? The calculations involved in the timing of remotely taking over a ship, allowing for tide, wind, currents etc to ram that particular bridge at that moment at just the right point and with enough force to knock it down make it highly implausible if not complete nonsense. Also, a bigger story would have been generated if it was done when the bridge was full of traffic, so why not do that?
Secondly, the longevity in the news cycle of potential sex offences involving a celebrity or multiple celebrities versus an accident do not compare. The legal proceedings could go on for months or years, the accident makes headlines for a couple of days. If "they" had so much control over events, why not quash the legal proceedings so they never make the news at all? Or have the celeb in question found dead in a swimming pool?
As many on here will know, there was a once regular contributor to CUFC messageboards who began posting increasingly delusional conspiracy stuff, Flat Earth - the lot, who very sadly ended up taking his own life a couple of years ago. The coroner's inquest cited his obsession with conspiracy theories as being a key factor in the decline in his mental health and isolation from his friends and family.
So this sort of thing isn't necessarily just harmless entertainment, it can be toxic, which is why personally I don't like to see it polluting unrelated forums. At least Moonie's Graveyard takes it off the football page, which is a good thing.
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Apr 13, 2024 9:52:39 GMT
The belief is, that whenever bad news is coming out for certain people, that something always seems to occur, that takes that news out of the headlines, and dominates the news cycles. Shootings in the US, although they seem to happen daily, are supposedly one of the most common ways to do it, and it just means "activating" someone, and off they go, and commit carnage, and the cameras are already there on the scene, before they`ve stopped shooting.
But this also means, for those who consume it 24 hours a day, that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, and if you look around, then you will always find something that happens on the same day, that you can tie into it all, and a global conspiracy of the elites etc.
Whilst I do enjoy these conspiracies, and how wacky some of them are, I make a point of switching off, I couldn`t do it all day, every day, as that would warp your reality, to where there would be no coming back from it.
The P Diddy thing apparently goes much deeper, and is connected to the Epstein stuff, and given this is supposed to involve a LOT of famous people, it makes sense why they don`t want it anywhere near the new cycle, and will mention it once, and move on. It`s supposed to involved not just celebrities, but people from all walks of life, with money, but also a lot of current and former world leaders/presidents etc, and also members of various royal familes across the world. And once that dam breaks, there will be no stopping it.
There`s a video online of a US news anchor talking before the show started, and about either Prince Andrew, or Epstein, and she said they had the story years ago, with witnesses and evidence, and they could have ran with it long before it actually came out. But she claimed it was stopped from someone high up, and I think she even alluded to the royal family and their PR dept getting involved to quash the story.
So if there is any truth to it, then the people who control the media, are likely involved in it as well. It`s said the whole thing was a honey trap operation, to control certain people, and so it would make sense, that those who decide which news stories are covered, are also compromised, so they`d never dare open, what could be a Pandora`s Box of sickness.
The bridge collapse has apparently wrecked a lot of the goods in to the US, and the delivery of them across the country. This might have been planned for a long time, and was ready to go any time. But then there could be nefarious people, who did it in order to bait the conspiracy theorists into running with it, especially after the P Diddy story broke. They got me for one !
As I mentioned after it happened, with how many things are connected to the internet nowadays, and can be hacked into, it`s scary to think just how many things could be taken over, and controlled, to do with what you want. Boats/planes/cars etc. So someone with very advanced tech could have seen an opportunity to take control of something, and steer it straight into a bridge, just to cause havoc, and at the same time sow even more doubt in the US Government.
It could even have been a loony conspiracy theorist who did it, but I have really crap internet, and was asleep at the time, so I`m in the clear.
And the reason they haven`t come out and said "it was hacked remotely" is because this would cause panic for anyone planning to take a cruise, or get on a plane, and would crater that part of the economy. Boeing are having enough problems as it is, without people wondering if their planes can be hacked by someone on a laptop on the ground.
If they blame China - War. If they blame migrants - racism ! If they blame Russia....wait ? why haven`t they blamed Russia yet ?!
That is a good point about quashing the legal proceedings before they start, but finding someone dead in a swimming pool, or other, happens a lot, just ask Kevin Spacey !
I`ll certainly keep it out of the main forum, unless it pertains to football, and if I post any more crap in here, then I`ll be relying on you and briary, to pull me up on it, and keep me from going too deep into that rabbit hole !
Cheers !
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Post by heilkmoon on Apr 13, 2024 13:53:40 GMT
I think youâre right in acknowledging the risk of starting to believe that everything is a conspiracy and that no event in the news can be taken at face value. Going down that route is when people can start to lose their grip on reality.
Iâm not sure that an initial response to a news story of seeing what else it might be covering up is a healthy starting point though.
My approach is to evaluate the story first, to invoke the awful Occamâs Razor clichĂ©, the simplest explanation is most often the correct one.
The simplest explanation of the shipping accident is that it was just an accident. How likely is that? Well, there must be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of global shipping movements daily. The shipping industry is one of the most badly regulated and dangerous in the world and accidents do happen frequently, as do fatalities. Take a look at the MAIB Marine Accident Investigation Bureau website, which details reports of investigations into shipping accidents just in British waters. Human error, fatigue, alcohol, mechanical failures, electronic failures, poor maintenance, language issues between international crews, weather etc can all play a part. Itâs a statistical certainly that every now and then a serious accident will happen.
As to your point about there âalways being somethingâ in the news, similarly we live in a world which has an inordinate number of famous people for whatever reason, justified or unjustified. There are only 365 days in a year so statistically it is again almost a virtual certainty that there will be a negative story of some kind about someone famous every day of the week and therefore on the same day as for example a major accident. This does not mean though that the news event and the celebrity are connected, without definite evidence it is much more likely there is no connection whatsoever.
Like I said, I do believe some conspiracies occur and that some stories about famous people will never make the news. I posted on the old board I think that back in the day I knew someone who made a number of visits as a guest of a member to a celebrity swingers club in Manchester that was under the auspices of the Guardian newspaper group.
There was nothing overly sinister about it, it was all consenting adults, but all manner of celebs, tv people, sports stars, pop stars, MPs etc were in attendance, safe in the knowledge that nothing that happened on the premises would ever be printed in the British media. I have no doubt that similar places exist all over the world and of course there also will be some very rich and powerful perverts out there like Epstein and worse with the means and influence to hide their activities.
So I agree that what the media present to us is sometimes selective at best, but I set a very high bar on evidential proof that any given story is not what it seems.
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