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Post by munchymagic on Jan 10, 2024 15:29:49 GMT
Maybe it was wrong of me to suggest using some of the windfall money in this respect but the club sponsoring these sort if initiatives on the back of it would do no harm at all, especially decked in our colours and badge. It always seems like you are throwing money into an abyss when trying to tackle world starvation but helping 17 of our own seems achievable. Any council who tackle the issue and genuinely provide specialist accomodation like pods and a dedicated worker should then be able to bring in a byelaw making rough sleeping and begging in their area criminal offences. In Accrington there are maybe only half a dozen but its ridiculous now that theyve made themselves at home with tents and god knows what in empty shop doorways and it all kicked off just before xmas when one of the shops whos doorway was being used re opened and all hell was let lose For very little money the council could put some pods into a redundant building appoint a homelessness officer bring them all in out of the cold but at the same time serve them with an order banning them from either begging or roughsleeping in Hyndburn ever again and those who engage can then be moved into a halfway house where they could live for 6 months while theyre taught to claim what theyre due apply for jobs and for housing that becomes available. Not a simple solution but one that would work in places where the problem isnt yet as bad as it could be But our council here think that its better to bail out the trust who manage their leisure facilities to the tune of half a million quid as i understood it the whole point of the trust was to save the council money not to become a pit for them to pay more into Yet theyre proposing building a new leisure centre that nobody wants in a location that no body wants and then just hand it over to the trust to run. The half a million defecit is mainly from energy cost increases so instead of bailing them out why nor just loan them the money to buy money saving technology like pv panells and in the meantime let them so out their own issues with their energy providers. But hey dont get me started on the farce that is the Market Hall redevelopment or indeed ask Andy Holt what he thinks of our council. The more I looked into it pal the more obstacles there is with these pods as you need someone checking them after so many hours as if someone with drug/alcohol problems dies in there then questions will be asked. As you say though camping in shop doorways isn't the way forward - worse down south I believe as in Swindon I see that many of them aggressively hassle the shoppers for cash The workers seem quite sensible with the pods though and tend to let them to people who are struggling with the financial climate and getting them re-housed.
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Post by northernsoul on Jan 10, 2024 15:36:32 GMT
Any council who tackle the issue and genuinely provide specialist accomodation like pods and a dedicated worker should then be able to bring in a byelaw making rough sleeping and begging in their area criminal offences. In Accrington there are maybe only half a dozen but its ridiculous now that theyve made themselves at home with tents and god knows what in empty shop doorways and it all kicked off just before xmas when one of the shops whos doorway was being used re opened and all hell was let lose For very little money the council could put some pods into a redundant building appoint a homelessness officer bring them all in out of the cold but at the same time serve them with an order banning them from either begging or roughsleeping in Hyndburn ever again and those who engage can then be moved into a halfway house where they could live for 6 months while theyre taught to claim what theyre due apply for jobs and for housing that becomes available. Not a simple solution but one that would work in places where the problem isnt yet as bad as it could be But our council here think that its better to bail out the trust who manage their leisure facilities to the tune of half a million quid as i understood it the whole point of the trust was to save the council money not to become a pit for them to pay more into Yet theyre proposing building a new leisure centre that nobody wants in a location that no body wants and then just hand it over to the trust to run. The half a million defecit is mainly from energy cost increases so instead of bailing them out why nor just loan them the money to buy money saving technology like pv panells and in the meantime let them so out their own issues with their energy providers. But hey dont get me started on the farce that is the Market Hall redevelopment or indeed ask Andy Holt what he thinks of our council. The more I looked into it pal the more obstacles there is with these pods as you need someone checking them after so many hours as if someone with drug/alcohol problems dies in there then questions will be asked. As you say though camping in shop doorways isn't the way forward - worse down south I believe as in Swindon I see that many of them aggressively hassle the shoppers for cash The workers seem quite sensible with the pods though and tend to let them to people who are struggling with the financial climate and getting them re-housed. Lou Macari has single handedly just about wiped out rough sleeping in Stoke
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Post by munchymagic on Jan 10, 2024 15:38:45 GMT
Maybe it was wrong of me to suggest using some of the windfall money in this respect but the club sponsoring these sort if initiatives on the back of it would do no harm at all, especially decked in our colours and badge. It always seems like you are throwing money into an abyss when trying to tackle world starvation but helping 17 of our own seems achievable. I don't believe that private businesses should be responsible for helping the homeless but we're the system fails it were the community has to help. My initial thought was that twenty million is a lot of money, but as mentioned it probably wont be that and it will come in dribbles anyhow. I am glad that it will go to the new owners and not Jenkins however, not that I think he is dishonest just that he would waste it, he would probably deliver us his dream of playing at Kingmoor.
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Post by munchymagic on Jan 10, 2024 15:46:46 GMT
The more I looked into it pal the more obstacles there is with these pods as you need someone checking them after so many hours as if someone with drug/alcohol problems dies in there then questions will be asked. As you say though camping in shop doorways isn't the way forward - worse down south I believe as in Swindon I see that many of them aggressively hassle the shoppers for cash The workers seem quite sensible with the pods though and tend to let them to people who are struggling with the financial climate and getting them re-housed. Lou Macari has single handedly just about wiped out rough sleeping in Stoke Good on him, I had no idea - just Googled what you said and found this. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/man-utd-legend-lou-macari-28844622Just sickening when we are actually paying for hotels for people who come in on boats because it is fashionable to be showing that we are helping them in the eyes of the world and many of them are ungrateful yet we are neglecting our own, probably a discussion best left for off-topic though.
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Post by northernsoul on Jan 10, 2024 19:06:11 GMT
Should just get a dingy, sail out a wee bit, turn around, come back and say they are Albanian. Boom, hotel and three square meals. Theres now stories that single male asylum seekers are now messing up their applications to stay because if its granted to a single male then all support stops and thats whats driving whats going on in places like Liverpool and Salford this week. If a case gets adjourned they get to stay in the hotel if they win the right to stay theyre out on the streets. And as the government has finally got its act together and has massively ramped up the number of hearings taking place the numbers winning the right to stay and then being kicked out of the hotels is whats driving the massive increases in homeless numbers over the last week or so.
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Post by dstander on Jan 10, 2024 20:58:45 GMT
After one of the last Carlisle United games I was buying a burger from Marios on Botchergate, coming out there was a lad with his clothes in a ruck sack and really happy as it was freezing, and they had just given him a room at the Road House. I gave him some money, I had given him money before when I seen him - always coherent and a decent lad to talk to, doesn't seem to be swinging it. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am by no means a do gooder or anything and these things may not even be allowed to be set up by anyone other than the authorities, who knows and maybe my figure was too high also but I would be throwing some coin at it in some capacity as we are a community club. I will say ,not often we see Eye to Eye, they Estimate around 17 people are sleeping rough in Carlisle every night. You'll find homeless people tend to avoid areas with high public footfall at night as the are more prone to theft, assault , SA etc. Takes no effort to be kind in this world , and when people deny an issue exists often it's just because they want to pretend if doesn't. Although homelessness exists mainly for an economic reasons which is awful, it's been shown to be far cheaper in the long term for the tax payers but a threat of being homless is a great driver. “They estimate”, who’s “they”? Truth is we don’t know the figure, if in fact there’s a figure at all! If Munchy wants to split £2m 17 ways then I might considering rough sleeping for a while if I’m guaranteed £100k!! What I do dispute is the initial claim about poverty in Carlisle. Does it actually exist? And if it does, why does it exist in a city where house prices are low, the cost of living is low and jobs are aplenty? Like I say, it’s more a problem with the person as opposed to a problem with the system in a place like Carlisle.
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Post by munchymagic on Jan 10, 2024 21:16:30 GMT
I will say ,not often we see Eye to Eye, they Estimate around 17 people are sleeping rough in Carlisle every night. You'll find homeless people tend to avoid areas with high public footfall at night as the are more prone to theft, assault , SA etc. Takes no effort to be kind in this world , and when people deny an issue exists often it's just because they want to pretend if doesn't. Although homelessness exists mainly for an economic reasons which is awful, it's been shown to be far cheaper in the long term for the tax payers but a threat of being homless is a great driver. “They estimate”, who’s “they”? Truth is we don’t know the figure, if in fact there’s a figure at all! If Munchy wants to split £2m 17 ways then I might considering rough sleeping for a while if I’m guaranteed £100k!! What I do dispute is the initial claim about poverty in Carlisle. Does it actually exist? And if it does, why does it exist in a city where house prices are low, the cost of living is low and jobs are aplenty? Like I say, it’s more a problem with the person as opposed to a problem with the system in a place like Carlisle. Let yourself down there mate, one of the most pathetic posts that I have ever read as it isn't even a wind up. As long as you are alright then eh.
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Post by dstander on Jan 10, 2024 21:21:17 GMT
“They estimate”, who’s “they”? Truth is we don’t know the figure, if in fact there’s a figure at all! If Munchy wants to split £2m 17 ways then I might considering rough sleeping for a while if I’m guaranteed £100k!! What I do dispute is the initial claim about poverty in Carlisle. Does it actually exist? And if it does, why does it exist in a city where house prices are low, the cost of living is low and jobs are aplenty? Like I say, it’s more a problem with the person as opposed to a problem with the system in a place like Carlisle. Let yourself down there mate, one of the most pathetic posts that I have ever read as it isn't even a wind up. As long as you are alright then eh. Of course it’s not a wind up, why would it be? Three pertinent questions yet not even an attempt at an answer.
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Post by happyblue on Jan 10, 2024 21:23:12 GMT
I will say ,not often we see Eye to Eye, they Estimate around 17 people are sleeping rough in Carlisle every night. You'll find homeless people tend to avoid areas with high public footfall at night as the are more prone to theft, assault , SA etc. Takes no effort to be kind in this world , and when people deny an issue exists often it's just because they want to pretend if doesn't. Although homelessness exists mainly for an economic reasons which is awful, it's been shown to be far cheaper in the long term for the tax payers but a threat of being homless is a great driver. “They estimate”, who’s “they”? Truth is we don’t know the figure, if in fact there’s a figure at all! If Munchy wants to split £2m 17 ways then I might considering rough sleeping for a while if I’m guaranteed £100k!! What I do dispute is the initial claim about poverty in Carlisle. Does it actually exist? And if it does, why does it exist in a city where house prices are low, the cost of living is low and jobs are aplenty? Like I say, it’s more a problem with the person as opposed to a problem with the system in a place like Carlisle. Well the factual evidence shows it does , it's not even an argument to be fair, As for you house prices are low , cost of living are low, but the average wage in Carlisle is also far below the norm, Energy prices , Food prices etc have gone up dramatically. People with mental health conditions, physical healthy conditions, rents to house value is relatively high . Like I am extremely lucky , I have a well paying job , I grew up in relative comfort but wow it's scary that some people are this bloody ignorant. www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/23423965.harsh-reality-families-child-poverty-stats-rise-across-cumbria/www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.cumbria.gov.uk/elibrary/Content/Internet/536/671/4674/17217/43937115157.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiW9pag3tODAxVghf0HHY9-CkIQFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1rNtxEF1EQQcXYpjVgU35h
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Post by dstander on Jan 10, 2024 21:44:20 GMT
Without wanting to hijack another thread, I’ll have my final say on the matter. What is scary is the amount of naive people who think these people are actually living in poverty, that’s the dumbed down version of poverty we see today btw. I see these people who, very often, choose to live under the ‘poverty’ threshold, on a daily basis. I deliver to a lot of them. To bracket them as ‘living in poverty’, as if they’re struggling on the bones of their arse, is absolutely laughable. Furthermore, wanting the city’s football club to gift £2m to these people is even more laughable.
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Post by clarkie4000 on Jan 10, 2024 22:09:06 GMT
Just check the forum, see what the fans think about Jarrad Branthwaite, his England chances, where he might move next...oh they're all arguing about asylum seekers again
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Post by Big Brother on Jan 10, 2024 22:24:49 GMT
Some posts would have been moved to the off topic board, but they're based on a premise of the club's (hypothetical) share of the Branthwaite money being donated.
I do think it's time to get the thread back to Jarred himself though.
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Post by clarkie4000 on Jan 10, 2024 22:28:19 GMT
Don't envy you Moonie. The rest of you, can't you just ring up LBC or something?
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Post by dstander on Jan 10, 2024 22:37:03 GMT
Apologies for derailing the thread. As I said, I’ve had my last word on the matter.
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Post by cufcaussiebranch on Jan 10, 2024 23:01:03 GMT
Without wanting to hijack another thread, I’ll have my final say on the matter. What is scary is the amount of naive people who think these people are actually living in poverty, that’s the dumbed down version of poverty we see today btw. I see these people who, very often, choose to live under the ‘poverty’ threshold, on a daily basis. I deliver to a lot of them. To bracket them as ‘living in poverty’, as if they’re struggling on the bones of their arse, is absolutely laughable. Furthermore, wanting the city’s football club to gift £2m to these people is even more laughable. When I worked in the Philippines, some of the staff visited Australia to assist us with projects. On their return I asked them what they thought of Australia. "You have rich homeless people, they drink and smoke", was the response. I absolutely agreed. Whilst over there, I was walking home one night and witnessed a couple of kids (they must have been no older than 16) the girl was literally breast feeding their baby while they were rummaging through bags of rubbish looking for something to eat. I gave them money - they didn't even ask for anything! 90% of these Asylum seekers in the UK are simply taking the piss out of a generous system which is there to support people genuinely in crisis. It boils my blood.
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