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Post by Big Brother on Jan 9, 2024 20:03:48 GMT
There was also talk that Henderson's sell-on was 20%. with Henderson the facts were always there that it was never that much. 10-15% is much more believable considering we didn’t get much of a fee for Branthwaite and he was playing first team football. Certainly should be a big sell-on fee given the relative peanuts we gave him away for. Call me a cynic, but I have no faith whatsoever in any deal done under the auspices of David Holdsworth.
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Post by blencathra on Jan 9, 2024 20:18:52 GMT
Anything Holdsworth has been involved in is immediately suspect in my book.
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Post by lbtufty on Jan 9, 2024 21:04:31 GMT
I expect the figure is closer to 10% but capped at around £5m, Jenkins and co. would have definitely agreed to a limit if offered one by Everton in return for a reasonable percentage.
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Post by cufcaussiebranch on Jan 10, 2024 0:35:45 GMT
These transfers were discussed at one of the recent fans forum and although the exact amount wasn't given due to confidentiality clauses etc. Clibbens basically said the Henderson and Trafford transfers weren't games changers and were done under that shitty screw the smaller clubs over type deal. The Branthwaite deal was excluded from that statement, which said a lot with out saying anything.
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Post by northernsoul on Jan 10, 2024 1:47:47 GMT
These transfers were discussed at one of the recent fans forum and although the exact amount wasn't given due to confidentiality clauses etc. Clibbens basically said the Henderson and Trafford transfers weren't games changers and were done under that shitty screw the smaller clubs over type deal. The Branthwaite deal was excluded from that statement, which said a lot with out saying anything. MMMMMMMM Not quite my understanding of what Clibbins said he was differentiating between all 3 deals starting with Trafford who we stood to get relatively very little from and who before last season was virtually never mentioned but who moved from a fee many times what people were expecting so we did better than we thought my estimate is between 500 and 750k It was Henderson who was used as a trial for the new system that they brought in so if you want to work that one out look what the deal was when it was was first introduced my estimate is 1.25m a little lower than it would have been but weve been getting drip payments like the supposed 10k a game fee. So on to Branthwaite and yes we all know what a Tosser Holdsworth is but can you really see him not playing hardball as this was his chance to get his mate PD his cash back i.m pretty certain that it wont be less than 10% plus all the usual appearance and international cap money but as has been mentioned we just have to hope like hell that theres no ceiling on the amount we could earn but we really could put this to use in our favour by doing a deal where they dont have to write us a 10m cheque on the day he moves and in return we get a formal deal for the loan/first dibs on their young players.
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Post by ccu on Jan 10, 2024 7:46:26 GMT
Any % received will be over the duration of payments on the deal.
So say he went for £75m and we have 10%, that would be £7.5m likely spread of length of deal/payments. So if it was 5yrs, it would be something like £1.5m a year for 5yrs.
The Club could maybe try to negotiate with Everton for a one-off lump and maybe some sort of link-up for Loans etc, but given The Toffee’s are all over the spot with finances whilst awaiting the move to the new Stadium then it’s unlikely there’d be much give from them.
A guaranteed £1.5m every Summer for 5yrs would be a nice boost the playing budget…
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Post by 183blue on Jan 10, 2024 8:26:47 GMT
We could loan in Jordan Henderson for three weeks with that.
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Post by lordpiatek on Jan 10, 2024 11:14:02 GMT
Well I’m glad you’re not in charge of the club’s money! You were talking about poverty specifically in Carlisle, I find it hard to believe that it actually exists. If it does I would question the individual rather than the system. After one of the last Carlisle United games I was buying a burger from Marios on Botchergate, coming out there was a lad with his clothes in a ruck sack and really happy as it was freezing, and they had just given him a room at the Road House. I gave him some money, I had given him money before when I seen him - always coherent and a decent lad to talk to, doesn't seem to be swinging it. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am by no means a do gooder or anything and these things may not even be allowed to be set up by anyone other than the authorities, who knows and maybe my figure was too high also but I would be throwing some coin at it in some capacity as we are a community club. Get a load of Dennis Nilsen over here
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Post by happyblue on Jan 10, 2024 13:31:56 GMT
These transfers were discussed at one of the recent fans forum and although the exact amount wasn't given due to confidentiality clauses etc. Clibbens basically said the Henderson and Trafford transfers weren't games changers and were done under that shitty screw the smaller clubs over type deal. The Branthwaite deal was excluded from that statement, which said a lot with out saying anything. MMMMMMMM Not quite my understanding of what Clibbins said he was differentiating between all 3 deals starting with Trafford who we stood to get relatively very little from and who before last season was virtually never mentioned but who moved from a fee many times what people were expecting so we did better than we thought my estimate is between 500 and 750k It was Henderson who was used as a trial for the new system that they brought in so if you want to work that one out look what the deal was when it was was first introduced my estimate is 1.25m a little lower than it would have been but weve been getting drip payments like the supposed 10k a game fee. So on to Branthwaite and yes we all know what a Tosser Holdsworth is but can you really see him not playing hardball as this was his chance to get his mate PD his cash back i.m pretty certain that it wont be less than 10% plus all the usual appearance and international cap money but as has been mentioned we just have to hope like hell that theres no ceiling on the amount we could earn but we really could put this to use in our favour by doing a deal where they dont have to write us a 10m cheque on the day he moves and in return we get a formal deal for the loan/first dibs on their young players. You have to take the 10k payments away from our share as its 5% profit on deal, often the case in sell on agreements that you need to take away initial fee , and anyway add ons from the sell on percentage
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Post by happyblue on Jan 10, 2024 13:39:07 GMT
Well I’m glad you’re not in charge of the club’s money! You were talking about poverty specifically in Carlisle, I find it hard to believe that it actually exists. If it does I would question the individual rather than the system. After one of the last Carlisle United games I was buying a burger from Marios on Botchergate, coming out there was a lad with his clothes in a ruck sack and really happy as it was freezing, and they had just given him a room at the Road House. I gave him some money, I had given him money before when I seen him - always coherent and a decent lad to talk to, doesn't seem to be swinging it. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am by no means a do gooder or anything and these things may not even be allowed to be set up by anyone other than the authorities, who knows and maybe my figure was too high also but I would be throwing some coin at it in some capacity as we are a community club. I will say ,not often we see Eye to Eye, they Estimate around 17 people are sleeping rough in Carlisle every night. You'll find homeless people tend to avoid areas with high public footfall at night as the are more prone to theft, assault , SA etc. Takes no effort to be kind in this world , and when people deny an issue exists often it's just because they want to pretend if doesn't. Although homelessness exists mainly for an economic reasons which is awful, it's been shown to be far cheaper in the long term for the tax payers but a threat of being homless is a great driver.
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Post by northernsoul on Jan 10, 2024 13:44:56 GMT
MMMMMMMM Not quite my understanding of what Clibbins said he was differentiating between all 3 deals starting with Trafford who we stood to get relatively very little from and who before last season was virtually never mentioned but who moved from a fee many times what people were expecting so we did better than we thought my estimate is between 500 and 750k It was Henderson who was used as a trial for the new system that they brought in so if you want to work that one out look what the deal was when it was was first introduced my estimate is 1.25m a little lower than it would have been but weve been getting drip payments like the supposed 10k a game fee. So on to Branthwaite and yes we all know what a Tosser Holdsworth is but can you really see him not playing hardball as this was his chance to get his mate PD his cash back i.m pretty certain that it wont be less than 10% plus all the usual appearance and international cap money but as has been mentioned we just have to hope like hell that theres no ceiling on the amount we could earn but we really could put this to use in our favour by doing a deal where they dont have to write us a 10m cheque on the day he moves and in return we get a formal deal for the loan/first dibs on their young players. You have to take the 10k payments away from our share as its 5% profit on deal, often the case in sell on agreements that you need to take away initial fee , and anyway add ons from the sell on percentage There was no original transfer fee just the compensation package that the protocol introduced so the whole fee is profit but yes youre right and as i said you then need to deduct the 10k match appearance fees but as he didnt actually play for Man U that often they shouldnt amount to much and then there should be the appeance target and international money to come on top of that
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Post by happyblue on Jan 10, 2024 13:51:49 GMT
You have to take the 10k payments away from our share as its 5% profit on deal, often the case in sell on agreements that you need to take away initial fee , and anyway add ons from the sell on percentage There was no original transfer fee just the compensation package that the protocol introduced so the whole fee is profit but yes youre right and as i said you then need to deduct the 10k match appearance fees but as he didnt actually play for Man U that often they shouldnt amount to much and then there should be the appeance target and international money to come on top of that There was a small fee initially.
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Post by munchymagic on Jan 10, 2024 13:56:50 GMT
After one of the last Carlisle United games I was buying a burger from Marios on Botchergate, coming out there was a lad with his clothes in a ruck sack and really happy as it was freezing, and they had just given him a room at the Road House. I gave him some money, I had given him money before when I seen him - always coherent and a decent lad to talk to, doesn't seem to be swinging it. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am by no means a do gooder or anything and these things may not even be allowed to be set up by anyone other than the authorities, who knows and maybe my figure was too high also but I would be throwing some coin at it in some capacity as we are a community club. I will say ,not often we see Eye to Eye, they Estimate around 17 people are sleeping rough in Carlisle every night. You'll find homeless people tend to avoid areas with high public footfall at night as the are more prone to theft, assault , SA etc. Takes no effort to be kind in this world , and when people deny an issue exists often it's just because they want to pretend if doesn't. Although homelessness exists mainly for an economic reasons which is awful, it's been shown to be far cheaper in the long term for the tax payers but a threat of being homless is a great driver. Maybe it was wrong of me to suggest using some of the windfall money in this respect but the club sponsoring these sort if initiatives on the back of it would do no harm at all, especially decked in our colours and badge. It always seems like you are throwing money into an abyss when trying to tackle world starvation but helping 17 of our own seems achievable.
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Post by happyblue on Jan 10, 2024 14:13:28 GMT
I will say ,not often we see Eye to Eye, they Estimate around 17 people are sleeping rough in Carlisle every night. You'll find homeless people tend to avoid areas with high public footfall at night as the are more prone to theft, assault , SA etc. Takes no effort to be kind in this world , and when people deny an issue exists often it's just because they want to pretend if doesn't. Although homelessness exists mainly for an economic reasons which is awful, it's been shown to be far cheaper in the long term for the tax payers but a threat of being homless is a great driver. Maybe it was wrong of me to suggest using some of the windfall money in this respect but the club sponsoring these sort if initiatives on the back of it would do no harm at all, especially decked in our colours and badge. It always seems like you are throwing money into an abyss when trying to tackle world starvation but helping 17 of our own seems achievable. I don't believe that private businesses should be responsible for helping the homeless but we're the system fails it were the community has to help.
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Post by northernsoul on Jan 10, 2024 14:34:09 GMT
I will say ,not often we see Eye to Eye, they Estimate around 17 people are sleeping rough in Carlisle every night. You'll find homeless people tend to avoid areas with high public footfall at night as the are more prone to theft, assault , SA etc. Takes no effort to be kind in this world , and when people deny an issue exists often it's just because they want to pretend if doesn't. Although homelessness exists mainly for an economic reasons which is awful, it's been shown to be far cheaper in the long term for the tax payers but a threat of being homless is a great driver. Maybe it was wrong of me to suggest using some of the windfall money in this respect but the club sponsoring these sort if initiatives on the back of it would do no harm at all, especially decked in our colours and badge. It always seems like you are throwing money into an abyss when trying to tackle world starvation but helping 17 of our own seems achievable. Any council who tackle the issue and genuinely provide specialist accomodation like pods and a dedicated worker should then be able to bring in a byelaw making rough sleeping and begging in their area criminal offences. In Accrington there are maybe only half a dozen but its ridiculous now that theyve made themselves at home with tents and god knows what in empty shop doorways and it all kicked off just before xmas when one of the shops whos doorway was being used re opened and all hell was let lose For very little money the council could put some pods into a redundant building appoint a homelessness officer bring them all in out of the cold but at the same time serve them with an order banning them from either begging or roughsleeping in Hyndburn ever again and those who engage can then be moved into a halfway house where they could live for 6 months while theyre taught to claim what theyre due apply for jobs and for housing that becomes available. Not a simple solution but one that would work in places where the problem isnt yet as bad as it could be But our council here think that its better to bail out the trust who manage their leisure facilities to the tune of half a million quid as i understood it the whole point of the trust was to save the council money not to become a pit for them to pay more into Yet theyre proposing building a new leisure centre that nobody wants in a location that no body wants and then just hand it over to the trust to run. The half a million defecit is mainly from energy cost increases so instead of bailing them out why nor just loan them the money to buy money saving technology like pv panells and in the meantime let them so out their own issues with their energy providers. But hey dont get me started on the farce that is the Market Hall redevelopment or indeed ask Andy Holt what he thinks of our council.
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