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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 15, 2024 11:09:18 GMT
He played them down a bit though didn`t he ? And said something about them "not being club changing figures" or similar ? But we seemed to do OK for Henderson & Trafford, and got more than I thought we would, but I do wonder if the clauses we have for Branthwaite, are a lot lower than we all expect them to be. Or worse - don`t exist, and were sold off a few years back, when we needed the money. It would be lovely if someone from the club could come out and tell us exactly what they are.....for the purpose of transparency of course. No that was in relation to the payments we were getting on the two keepers before their moves went thru Why would they have sold them off ? that way if as has happened youd not see the benefit, surely if you were desperate for the cash youd just do a deal with MacQuarries for some of the cash. But not sure why you think Jenkins and co needed the cash No they didnt have the cash [ or in AJ.s case the inclination ] to pay off the PP debt but since the start of the pandemic the club has had decent cash flows a good indicator of which was the fact that at no point did they need to take out any of the govmt, FA or EFL loans unlike a lot of other lower league clubs. There were a few posts I remember on the old board, that said when covid was going on, and clubs were losing huge amounts of money, that sell on clauses were being sold off, all through the lower divisions, to help cover costs, and that the Branthwaite sell-on was one of them. Could be utter garbage, and just someone stirring things up, but with how many lower league clubs were stuggling during that time, it was something that I could see we would have done. This is why I would love to have it confirmed, that we DO still have the clause in place, and ideally how much it is. I think one of your sources reckoned it was about 17.5% ? If he does get sold over the summer, for a HUGE amount, and it turns out we HAVE sold the clause, then there will be a meltdown of Biblical proportions on this board, and rightly so. So if Nigel Clibbens, or the Piatak`s, could put this one to rest, and confirm there is nothing to worry about, that would be awesome !
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Post by happyblue on Mar 15, 2024 11:25:50 GMT
Not specifically. but i.m pretty sure Clibbins has in the past mentioned international appearances as generating fees. He played them down a bit though didn`t he ? And said something about them "not being club changing figures" or similar ? But we seemed to do OK for Henderson & Trafford, and got more than I thought we would, but I do wonder if the clauses we have for Branthwaite, are a lot lower than we all expect them to be. Or worse - don`t exist, and were sold off a few years back, when we needed the money. It would be lovely if someone from the club could come out and tell us exactly what they are.....for the purpose of transparency of course. . He said the Branthwaite fee would be club changing , and he also mentioned that they are clauses about not revealing the sell on , I hear 17.5%
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 15, 2024 11:28:28 GMT
He played them down a bit though didn`t he ? And said something about them "not being club changing figures" or similar ? But we seemed to do OK for Henderson & Trafford, and got more than I thought we would, but I do wonder if the clauses we have for Branthwaite, are a lot lower than we all expect them to be. Or worse - don`t exist, and were sold off a few years back, when we needed the money. It would be lovely if someone from the club could come out and tell us exactly what they are.....for the purpose of transparency of course. . He said the Branthwaite fee wound be club changing , and he also mentioned that they are clauses about not revealing the sell on , I hear 17.5% Then I had it completely wrong, my apologies to all for potentially spreading any disinformation over it. Cheers for clearing that up happyblue ! Here`s hoping he grabs his chance with the national team, and someone is ready to spend £100m+ on him !
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Post by happyblue on Mar 15, 2024 12:07:15 GMT
. He said the Branthwaite fee wound be club changing , and he also mentioned that they are clauses about not revealing the sell on , I hear 17.5% Then I had it completely wrong, my apologies to all for potentially spreading any disinformation over it. Cheers for clearing that up happyblue ! Here`s hoping he grabs his chance with the national team, and someone is ready to spend £100m+ on him ! No worries , also that sale of the clause came from someone sharing a Football manager save on twitter .
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Post by gob Bluth on Mar 15, 2024 12:08:18 GMT
10% or anything above as a % of sell on plus fees for 25, 50, 100 appearances plus an international cap fee should all be included.
As I recall the fee, while undisclosed, was less than the figures we were hoping for with talk that the deal was heavy on performance clauses.
What surprised me is we didn’t include a clause for loan signings
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 15, 2024 12:14:13 GMT
Then I had it completely wrong, my apologies to all for potentially spreading any disinformation over it. Cheers for clearing that up happyblue ! Here`s hoping he grabs his chance with the national team, and someone is ready to spend £100m+ on him ! No worries , also that sale of the clause came from someone sharing a Football manager save on twitter . I had a look at that clause on FM21, and think it was only 10%, o I edited it to 50%, and then Man City bought him for £150m. What a great save that was, until it borked and I had to start over.
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Post by happyblue on Mar 15, 2024 12:16:17 GMT
10% or anything above as a % of sell on plus fees for 25, 50, 100 appearances plus an international cap fee should all be included. As I recall the fee, while undisclosed, was less than the figures we were hoping for with talk that the deal was heavy on performance clauses. What surprised me is we didn’t include a clause for loan signings Think they took a risk with the lower fee for slightly large sales percentage, if that's the case , very risky but could be a clever bit of business. With payments likely to be spread across 5 years , with rumoured fee could give us £2-3 million per year across the 5 years, put that money into the training ground , developing the ground to generate more revenue, along with a mix of young player with potential and a few old heads (which we are missing ).
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 15, 2024 15:58:52 GMT
I felt the initial fee at the time was far too low, and thought we`d sold him a good 6-12 months before we should have done.
But it`s looking like it was actually a good piece of business, that is paying off for us long after he left.
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Post by northernsoul on Mar 16, 2024 4:33:44 GMT
He played them down a bit though didn`t he ? And said something about them "not being club changing figures" or similar ? But we seemed to do OK for Henderson & Trafford, and got more than I thought we would, but I do wonder if the clauses we have for Branthwaite, are a lot lower than we all expect them to be. Or worse - don`t exist, and were sold off a few years back, when we needed the money. It would be lovely if someone from the club could come out and tell us exactly what they are.....for the purpose of transparency of course. . He said the Branthwaite fee would be club changing , and he also mentioned that they are clauses about not revealing the sell on , I hear 17.5% 17.5% is the figure my contact at Everton is pretty sure about And when he did a bit of digging into the JB deal if any part of it had been sold off i.m sure hed of found the details of that. Clibbins has said that the figure wont become public until hes sold as theres a confidentiality agreement in place and my man only got the details thru a familiy connection with the former chief executive and even then he told me he didnt get an exact figure out of her and he arrived at the 17.5% figure by asking questions like is it more than ? Is it less than game ? What is a bit concerning is that every story you read in the press about him being sold seems to quote a figure of 10%.
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Post by torchereh on Mar 16, 2024 6:49:08 GMT
I’m under the impression it’s closer to 15% rather 10%, 17ish would be plausible
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Post by heyheyalanshoulder on Mar 16, 2024 8:10:28 GMT
. He said the Branthwaite fee would be club changing , and he also mentioned that they are clauses about not revealing the sell on , I hear 17.5% 17.5% is the figure my contact at Everton is pretty sure about And when he did a bit of digging into the JB deal if any part of it had been sold off i.m sure hed of found the details of that. Clibbins has said that the figure wont become public until hes sold as theres a confidentiality agreement in place and my man only got the details thru a familiy connection with the former chief executive and even then he told me he didnt get an exact figure out of her and he arrived at the 17.5% figure by asking questions like is it more than ? Is it less than game ? What is a bit concerning is that every story you read in the press about him being sold seems to quote a figure of 10%. What gets me is the fact somebody felt the need to make a confidentiality agreement on a sell on clause, just why? Also, on this sort of point, there should be no hidden transfer fee, none of this undisclosed fee rubbish, with the way the finances are being combed over with that profit and sustainability/FFP stuff, things should be made very clear so clubs can't pull any fast tricks with the figures. As for Branthwaite, I hope he gets a chance to work under Pep, he will make him into the next John Stones and that would be good for everybody.
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Post by happyblue on Mar 16, 2024 9:53:49 GMT
. He said the Branthwaite fee would be club changing , and he also mentioned that they are clauses about not revealing the sell on , I hear 17.5% 17.5% is the figure my contact at Everton is pretty sure about And when he did a bit of digging into the JB deal if any part of it had been sold off i.m sure hed of found the details of that. Clibbins has said that the figure wont become public until hes sold as theres a confidentiality agreement in place and my man only got the details thru a familiy connection with the former chief executive and even then he told me he didnt get an exact figure out of her and he arrived at the 17.5% figure by asking questions like is it more than ? Is it less than game ? What is a bit concerning is that every story you read in the press about him being sold seems to quote a figure of 10%. Papers just making guess work, but yeah the selling of the clause was just bolloxs that did the rounds .
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Post by wukkie on Mar 16, 2024 13:44:05 GMT
17.5% is the figure my contact at Everton is pretty sure about And when he did a bit of digging into the JB deal if any part of it had been sold off i.m sure hed of found the details of that. Clibbins has said that the figure wont become public until hes sold as theres a confidentiality agreement in place and my man only got the details thru a familiy connection with the former chief executive and even then he told me he didnt get an exact figure out of her and he arrived at the 17.5% figure by asking questions like is it more than ? Is it less than game ? What is a bit concerning is that every story you read in the press about him being sold seems to quote a figure of 10%. What gets me is the fact somebody felt the need to make a confidentiality agreement on a sell on clause, just why? Also, on this sort of point, there should be no hidden transfer fee, none of this undisclosed fee rubbish, with the way the finances are being combed over with that profit and sustainability/FFP stuff, things should be made very clear so clubs can't pull any fast tricks with the figures. As for Branthwaite, I hope he gets a chance to work under Pep, he will make him into the next John Stones and that would be good for everybody. The sooner financial transparency happens in football like it does in the NFL the better. I won't be holding any hope of it happening though.
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Post by munchymagic on Mar 16, 2024 14:22:31 GMT
Loads of people must know the details of the Branthwaite transfer details, I am surprised it has not been leaked by now, especially as we have since swapped ownership.
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Mar 18, 2024 9:42:46 GMT
17.5% is the figure my contact at Everton is pretty sure about And when he did a bit of digging into the JB deal if any part of it had been sold off i.m sure hed of found the details of that. Clibbins has said that the figure wont become public until hes sold as theres a confidentiality agreement in place and my man only got the details thru a familiy connection with the former chief executive and even then he told me he didnt get an exact figure out of her and he arrived at the 17.5% figure by asking questions like is it more than ? Is it less than game ? What is a bit concerning is that every story you read in the press about him being sold seems to quote a figure of 10%. What gets me is the fact somebody felt the need to make a confidentiality agreement on a sell on clause, just why? Also, on this sort of point, there should be no hidden transfer fee, none of this undisclosed fee rubbish, with the way the finances are being combed over with that profit and sustainability/FFP stuff, things should be made very clear so clubs can't pull any fast tricks with the figures. As for Branthwaite, I hope he gets a chance to work under Pep, he will make him into the next John Stones and that would be good for everybody. THIS ! Who on earth puts an NDA on a future transfer clause ? This isn`t philip schofield, and his young friend, it`s an agreement for a portion of the next transfer, to go to the initial club. It makes no sense why they would try to hide this, and make it all a bit suspicious. If Stones went for, £80m was it ? Then surely a similar, or hopefully higher fee, is what he will move for. English players are are in demand for top clubs, with the homegrown players rule, so I could see one of the big clubs, shelling out BIG for him.
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