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Post by bstandbob on Jun 5, 2024 7:33:11 GMT
So is it a fact that JB is the first player to come through our academy, play for the first team then play for England?
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Post by luaphal on Jun 5, 2024 8:20:01 GMT
I wish that the interest in him would come to fruition and stop all this talk. Just get it done so we can reap the benefit, on top of the new owners investment it would put the club in a great position,the best ever in the clubs history.
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Jun 5, 2024 9:22:15 GMT
Agree with HeyHey, any clause for an England cap, should not be taken off any future sell on fee. If you sign a player, and he wins his 1st cap, and then moves on for big money, then you`ve done well out of that player, and should pay up !
Hypothetically, how much can we benefit from the sale, should he move on, after he leaves Everton ? Or will we only receive anything, from the amount he moves for, in his next move ? If only we knew what kind of sell on it is !
Just making these figures up, to get across, what I`m asking.
He leaves Everton, and joins Arsenal for £51m. That`s £50m profit for them, and say we`re due 10%. We get £5m from that next sale.
Now what if Everton include their own clause in that sale, and demand 20% of any profit from his next move.
He becomes a star at Chelsea, and soon Man City, PSG & Real Madrid etc, all want to sign him.
He then joins one of these clubs, for say £100m.
Everton are then due 20% of the £50m that Chelsea made in profit. So £10m comes back to them.
As that would, technically, still be profit Everton made, from his next sale, after joining from us, then we`d be due some of that as well wouldn`t we ?
I`m sure Blackburn did something similar to us with Joe Garner, where we sold him on, and included a sell on fee, and Blackburn got a wedge of that, but then when he moved on again, and we received our own sell on fee, they were also entitled to some of it.
Maybe I`m misunderstanding how it all works, but if we have a clause for profit, and not just on his next sale, we could end up making a fair whack out of this, if he continues to improve, and makes a couple of big money moves.
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Post by bstandbob on Jun 5, 2024 10:26:55 GMT
I wish that the interest in him would come to fruition and stop all this talk. Just get it done so we can reap the benefit, on top of the new owners investment it would put the club in a great position,the best ever in the clubs history. Can't see anything happening before Euros is done, assuming he gets in the squad. You would imagine Everton waiting as if he goes and does well it could seriously increase his value.
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Post by ibogaine on Jun 5, 2024 11:42:02 GMT
So is it a fact that JB is the first player to come through our academy, play for the first team then play for England? Think so, but it would’ve been Jansen if he hadn’t crashed his moped
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Post by heyheyalanshoulder on Jun 5, 2024 11:52:46 GMT
Agree with HeyHey, any clause for an England cap, should not be taken off any future sell on fee. If you sign a player, and he wins his 1st cap, and then moves on for big money, then you`ve done well out of that player, and should pay up ! Hypothetically, how much can we benefit from the sale, should he move on, after he leaves Everton ? Or will we only receive anything, from the amount he moves for, in his next move ? If only we knew what kind of sell on it is ! Just making these figures up, to get across, what I`m asking. He leaves Everton, and joins Arsenal for £51m. That`s £50m profit for them, and say we`re due 10%. We get £5m from that next sale. Now what if Everton include their own clause in that sale, and demand 20% of any profit from his next move. He becomes a star at Chelsea, and soon Man City, PSG & Real Madrid etc, all want to sign him. He then joins one of these clubs, for say £100m. Everton are then due 20% of the £50m that Chelsea made in profit. So £10m comes back to them. As that would, technically, still be profit Everton made, from his next sale, after joining from us, then we`d be due some of that as well wouldn`t we ? I`m sure Blackburn did something similar to us with Joe Garner, where we sold him on, and included a sell on fee, and Blackburn got a wedge of that, but then when he moved on again, and we received our own sell on fee, they were also entitled to some of it. Maybe I`m misunderstanding how it all works, but if we have a clause for profit, and not just on his next sale, we could end up making a fair whack out of this, if he continues to improve, and makes a couple of big money moves. I'm sure on your beloved game you see it paying small percentages out to other clubs when you buy or even sell a player. So I presume they never make anything up and fairly accurate on these matters, I would think we will get a small percentage again but I hope he goes for more than 50m the first time tbh lol
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Post by wukkie on Jun 5, 2024 12:17:37 GMT
I don't even think we got a Million for him, more like 800K. I remember that he didn't play for us for around three weeks when the transfer was on but Beech kept on saying that he was injured and couldn't play.
They'll definitely wait until after the Euros to sell him if he gets in the squad but even if he did he might only be restricted to a one or two sub appearances. The Euros and the World Cup are just like a giant transfer market for clubs.
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Post by parcelpete on Jun 5, 2024 12:32:09 GMT
Can't see him making the cut for the euros unfortunately.
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Post by thefoot on Jun 5, 2024 12:40:10 GMT
I don't even think we got a Million for him, more like 800K. I remember that he didn't play for us for around three weeks when the transfer was on but Beech kept on saying that he was injured and couldn't play. They'll definitely wait until after the Euros to sell him if he gets in the squad but even if he did he might only be restricted to a one or two sub appearances. The Euros and the World Cup are just like a giant transfer market for clubs. Liverpool echo reported around £750,000 www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-confirm-signing-defender-jarrad-17562408
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Post by happyblue on Jun 5, 2024 12:48:56 GMT
. All depends of what the deal is , rumour is it's a sell on percentage , although some of said it's a profit percentage which would mean any payments from England caps would be taken off . So benefits depend on structure of the deal . Why is that btw? Not being funny and I know it is a computer game but you set a deal for a 1st cap and another for either percentage of profit or whole transfer fee, you get paid out if both happen, I don't see the coralation as to why him getting a cap means we get less when sold, pointless having both in the deal if that was the case, surely they are seperate entities? It's quite self explanatory. Sell on profit, you can a percentage of sale minus and cost of extras , then fee Sell on clause , you get a percentage of the full sale .
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Post by dstander on Jun 5, 2024 17:03:07 GMT
Isnt this all irrelevant as the last i heard you didnt get caps for playing in games deemed as friendlies Of course you get a cap for a friendly. I’m presuming the point you’re talking about regarding friendlies is the fact players can switch allegiances if their only caps are friendlies - or they haven’t played a competitive fixture for a country in other words.
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Post by dstander on Jun 5, 2024 17:27:37 GMT
Agree with HeyHey, any clause for an England cap, should not be taken off any future sell on fee. If you sign a player, and he wins his 1st cap, and then moves on for big money, then you`ve done well out of that player, and should pay up ! Hypothetically, how much can we benefit from the sale, should he move on, after he leaves Everton ? Or will we only receive anything, from the amount he moves for, in his next move ? If only we knew what kind of sell on it is ! Just making these figures up, to get across, what I`m asking. He leaves Everton, and joins Arsenal for £51m. That`s £50m profit for them, and say we`re due 10%. We get £5m from that next sale. Now what if Everton include their own clause in that sale, and demand 20% of any profit from his next move. He becomes a star at Chelsea, and soon Man City, PSG & Real Madrid etc, all want to sign him. He then joins one of these clubs, for say £100m. Everton are then due 20% of the £50m that Chelsea made in profit. So £10m comes back to them. As that would, technically, still be profit Everton made, from his next sale, after joining from us, then we`d be due some of that as well wouldn`t we ? I`m sure Blackburn did something similar to us with Joe Garner, where we sold him on, and included a sell on fee, and Blackburn got a wedge of that, but then when he moved on again, and we received our own sell on fee, they were also entitled to some of it. Maybe I`m misunderstanding how it all works, but if we have a clause for profit, and not just on his next sale, we could end up making a fair whack out of this, if he continues to improve, and makes a couple of big money moves. As already mentioned, it depends on what deal we struck with Everton, it really is down to the two clubs and anything is possible. If it’s based on profit then we would benefit from any future sale aswell, if Everton include a sell-on clause themselves.
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Post by heyheyalanshoulder on Jun 5, 2024 18:10:33 GMT
Why is that btw? Not being funny and I know it is a computer game but you set a deal for a 1st cap and another for either percentage of profit or whole transfer fee, you get paid out if both happen, I don't see the coralation as to why him getting a cap means we get less when sold, pointless having both in the deal if that was the case, surely they are seperate entities? It's quite self explanatory. Sell on profit, you can a percentage of sale minus and cost of extras , then fee Sell on clause , you get a percentage of the full sale . I still say that the first part is dependent on what was signed or it is pointless asking for a clause for an England cap if you are just going to lose that moeny when he is eventually sold, profit of sale price over transfer fee, not the profit of the whole transaction, like I said yesterday, there are a lot of clauses that can be added, appearnaces, goals etc, all to keep the fee down as much as possible, the buying club generally happy to cough up the extras as the that means the player is doing well. and the second part you would still get the extra payment for the Int cap but you haven't mentioned that. I guess we will see when he is sold, if they are honest wit hthe accounts, anyway.
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Post by happyblue on Jun 5, 2024 18:33:08 GMT
It's quite self explanatory. Sell on profit, you can a percentage of sale minus and cost of extras , then fee Sell on clause , you get a percentage of the full sale . I still say that the first part is dependent on what was signed or it is pointless asking for a clause for an England cap if you are just going to lose that moeny when he is eventually sold, profit of sale price over transfer fee, not the profit of the whole transaction, like I said yesterday, there are a lot of clauses that can be added, appearnaces, goals etc, all to keep the fee down as much as possible, the buying club generally happy to cough up the extras as the that means the player is doing well. and the second part you would still get the extra payment for the Int cap but you haven't mentioned that. I guess we will see when he is sold, if they are honest wit hthe accounts, anyway. Football deals are complex always different clauses , rules etc . Either way we will make a fortune when sold
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Post by heyheyalanshoulder on Jun 5, 2024 18:45:46 GMT
I still say that the first part is dependent on what was signed or it is pointless asking for a clause for an England cap if you are just going to lose that moeny when he is eventually sold, profit of sale price over transfer fee, not the profit of the whole transaction, like I said yesterday, there are a lot of clauses that can be added, appearnaces, goals etc, all to keep the fee down as much as possible, the buying club generally happy to cough up the extras as the that means the player is doing well. and the second part you would still get the extra payment for the Int cap but you haven't mentioned that. I guess we will see when he is sold, if they are honest wit hthe accounts, anyway. Football deals are complex always different clauses , rules etc . Either way we will make a fortune when sold I wish they'd hurry up, the way we lost out on big money for Henderson, once talked about in terms of a 50m sale went for undisclosed but rumoured to be 15m + add ons. How much did we end up getting for him? On another note, does anybody know if he played youth football in Carlisle, I have a feeling he turned up to play at my two boys team, just seeing his image sparked a memory of a dad whizzing his boy all over the place and they came from Whitehaven, he was tall for his age and blonde, same age as my sons which I also just noticed.
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