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Post by dstander on Jun 5, 2024 19:16:11 GMT
It's quite self explanatory. Sell on profit, you can a percentage of sale minus and cost of extras , then fee Sell on clause , you get a percentage of the full sale . I still say that the first part is dependent on what was signed or it is pointless asking for a clause for an England cap if you are just going to lose that moeny when he is eventually sold, profit of sale price over transfer fee, not the profit of the whole transaction, like I said yesterday, there are a lot of clauses that can be added, appearnaces, goals etc, all to keep the fee down as much as possible, the buying club generally happy to cough up the extras as the that means the player is doing well. and the second part you would still get the extra payment for the Int cap but you haven't mentioned that. I guess we will see when he is sold, if they are honest wit hthe accounts, anyway. You wouldn’t lose that money when he is potentially sold, just a percentage of it. If you receive £500k for him gaining an international cap, it reduces Everton’s profit by £500k of which we receive 15% of. So it reduces our windfall by £75k. Once again though, that’s if these stipulations are in the deal, every deal is different.
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Jun 5, 2024 19:49:54 GMT
I still say that the first part is dependent on what was signed or it is pointless asking for a clause for an England cap if you are just going to lose that moeny when he is eventually sold, profit of sale price over transfer fee, not the profit of the whole transaction, like I said yesterday, there are a lot of clauses that can be added, appearnaces, goals etc, all to keep the fee down as much as possible, the buying club generally happy to cough up the extras as the that means the player is doing well. and the second part you would still get the extra payment for the Int cap but you haven't mentioned that. I guess we will see when he is sold, if they are honest wit hthe accounts, anyway. You wouldn’t lose that money when he is potentially sold, just a percentage of it. If you receive £500k for him gaining an international cap, it reduces Everton’s profit by £500k of which we receive 15% of. So it reduces our windfall by £75k. Once again though, that’s if these stipulations are in the deal, every deal is different. Now I get it, I wasn`t figuring in the money for an England cap, coming off the profit total. Football Manager is usually really good at some of the rules of the game, it`s just a bit crap when it comes to enjoying it !
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Post by northernsoul on Jun 5, 2024 21:58:08 GMT
I don't even think we got a Million for him, more like 800K. I remember that he didn't play for us for around three weeks when the transfer was on but Beech kept on saying that he was injured and couldn't play. They'll definitely wait until after the Euros to sell him if he gets in the squad but even if he did he might only be restricted to a one or two sub appearances. The Euros and the World Cup are just like a giant transfer market for clubs. And as Everton now apparently have up to 4 parties seriously interested in buying them you cant see them agreeing to sell him to anybody when they might not have to. One of the deals involves some sort of finance deal over the new stadium which at the minute is a completely different entity to the football club itself but the biggest issue they have now is the builders wont sign off and hand over the stadium till they get paid and that was what they were planning on using the JB money for as that way they could justify it as the only way to get their hands on the new stadium.
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Post by ragingblue on Jun 5, 2024 22:01:46 GMT
I don't even think we got a Million for him, more like 800K. I remember that he didn't play for us for around three weeks when the transfer was on but Beech kept on saying that he was injured and couldn't play. They'll definitely wait until after the Euros to sell him if he gets in the squad but even if he did he might only be restricted to a one or two sub appearances. The Euros and the World Cup are just like a giant transfer market for clubs. And as Everton now apparently have up to 4 parties seriously interested in buying them you cant see them agreeing to sell him to anybody when they might not have to. One of the deals involves some sort of finance deal over the new stadium which at the minute is a completely different entity to the football club itself but the biggest issue they have now is the builders wont sign off and hand over the stadium till they get paid and that was what they were planning on using the JB money for as that way they could justify it as the only way to get their hands on the new stadium. All good news for us - they'll drive the price up and sell to the highest bidder.
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Post by northernsoul on Jun 5, 2024 22:28:13 GMT
And as Everton now apparently have up to 4 parties seriously interested in buying them you cant see them agreeing to sell him to anybody when they might not have to. One of the deals involves some sort of finance deal over the new stadium which at the minute is a completely different entity to the football club itself but the biggest issue they have now is the builders wont sign off and hand over the stadium till they get paid and that was what they were planning on using the JB money for as that way they could justify it as the only way to get their hands on the new stadium. All good news for us - they'll drive the price up and sell to the highest bidder. Or bad news that one of the bidders is willing to pay to complete the stadium and they dont then need to sell him at all You cant see the fans being over enamoured with new owners whos first act was to sell off their best asset can you ?
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Post by vallery on Jun 6, 2024 6:17:28 GMT
I thought Everton needed to sell to avoid breaching profit and sustainability rules and getting another points deduction? That wouldn't change if they sell the club??
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Post by ragingblue on Jun 6, 2024 8:17:50 GMT
Maddison, Jones and Quansah all sent home apparently.
Just between Branthwaite and Dunk really for that last CB spot.
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Post by northernsoul on Jun 6, 2024 8:27:38 GMT
I thought Everton needed to sell to avoid breaching profit and sustainability rules and getting another points deduction? That wouldn't change if they sell the club?? Not quite that simple because if the club is sold and the club and the stadium are brought together under the same ownership it generates a completely new set of figures which if i understand the e.mail i was sent correctly it improves their situation regarding the P and S situation and on that there are even calls from fans to take another 6pt hit rather than selling JB and another player to avoid it.
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Post by vallery on Jun 6, 2024 8:38:42 GMT
I thought Everton needed to sell to avoid breaching profit and sustainability rules and getting another points deduction? That wouldn't change if they sell the club?? Not quite that simple because if the club is sold and the club and the stadium are brought together under the same ownership it generates a completely new set of figures which if i understand the e.mail i was sent correctly it improves their situation regarding the P and S situation and on that there are even calls from fans to take another 6pt hit rather than selling JB and another player to avoid it. They'd be very lucky to get away with a further points deduction. Only got away with it last season due to the 3 promoted clubs being so bad. Time will tell I guess. At least we aren't desperate for the money.
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Post by northernsoul on Jun 6, 2024 8:50:36 GMT
Not quite that simple because if the club is sold and the club and the stadium are brought together under the same ownership it generates a completely new set of figures which if i understand the e.mail i was sent correctly it improves their situation regarding the P and S situation and on that there are even calls from fans to take another 6pt hit rather than selling JB and another player to avoid it. They'd be very lucky to get away with a further points deduction. Only got away with it last season due to the 3 promoted clubs being so bad. Time will tell I guess. At least we aren't desperate for the money. I think if they knew it would only be 6 they would just take it and not sell the players but 12 is a different matter. Mate down theres just e.mailed me back apparently if i.ve got it right in the period in question they could have injected money [ presumably to buy shares ] but didnt because all the cash was being spent on building the stadium Now i.m no Everton fan but i dont understand why when all this seems to stem from Mashiri being told to sell his shareholding he wasnt treat in the same way that Chelsea were because they seem to have come out of it ok yet at Everton its dragged on for 2 years causing all this crap which has clearly been complicated by the stadium situation. And if they need 100m to balance the books and could do this at this late stage by selling the players why carnt they just issue and sell 100m of shares to raise the money after all if someone other than Mashiri did it they could include those share in the big sale when it finally happens.
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Post by heyheyalanshoulder on Jun 6, 2024 13:28:01 GMT
I thought Everton needed to sell to avoid breaching profit and sustainability rules and getting another points deduction? That wouldn't change if they sell the club?? Not quite that simple because if the club is sold and the club and the stadium are brought together under the same ownership it generates a completely new set of figures which if i understand the e.mail i was sent correctly it improves their situation regarding the P and S situation and on that there are even calls from fans to take another 6pt hit rather than selling JB and another player to avoid it. They'll be hoping Man City take the PL to the cleaners on restraint of trade then and the legality of stopping clubs from being invested in etc, the short sighted clubs that backed the red shirts and got FFP introduced, all they did was harm themselves in the long run with this new P and S rule.
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Post by ccu on Jun 6, 2024 14:53:21 GMT
Looks like bad news…
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Post by bstandbob on Jun 6, 2024 15:06:52 GMT
Poor decision if true, particularly if Maguire is out through injury.
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Post by munchymagic on Jun 6, 2024 15:30:31 GMT
Well if he doesn't go to the finals then at least our 'golden egg' cannot get injured
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Jun 6, 2024 15:57:00 GMT
Booooooooooo ! southgate out !
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