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Post by dstander on Jun 7, 2024 9:21:33 GMT
There's a really good program about Wayne Rooney at Euro 2004 on BBC iPlayer at the moment. He was absolutely frightening in that tournament and if he hadn't broken his foot, due to the strength of his mentality as much as his ability there's every chance we could have won that tournament. What he also did say though was that in that Portugal game, he looked at him teammates and thought they looked scared and it was him as an 18 year old boy the "golden generation" of players looked to for belief. I’ve read a few stories of players saying similar about players around that time. Remember Carragher saying he could sense the fear amongst teammates, they feared making a mistake which they’d be hung out to dry for, they couldn’t cope with the responsibility and expectation. He was next to Terry when England got a free kick for offside and said Terry just put the ball down and launched it straight through to the opposition keeper, Carraghers first thought was “would you do that for Chelsea?”, they didn’t want the ball, they wanted it as far away from them as possible. I actually resent a lot of that squad, the ones at Euro 2004 and WC 2006. I went to both tournaments and had tickets for games all the way through to the finals of both. My dad had been to the WC Final in 66 and really thought this was my chance, I always said it’s the one thing I would give anything to see in my lifetime, England win the WC. We had an unbelievable squad around that time, top top players for every position, but we just didn’t perform. Since then when you hear the likes of Ferdinand and Gerrard admitting squad harmony wasn’t great because of something as pathetic as club rivalry you really do start to despise the overpaid arseholes, they’ve really no idea the lengths and expense fans go to to follow their country. I stopped following England after the 2006 WC.
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Post by bstandbob on Jun 7, 2024 10:23:14 GMT
There's a really good program about Wayne Rooney at Euro 2004 on BBC iPlayer at the moment. He was absolutely frightening in that tournament and if he hadn't broken his foot, due to the strength of his mentality as much as his ability there's every chance we could have won that tournament. What he also did say though was that in that Portugal game, he looked at him teammates and thought they looked scared and it was him as an 18 year old boy the "golden generation" of players looked to for belief. I’ve read a few stories of players saying similar about players around that time. Remember Carragher saying he could sense the fear amongst teammates, they feared making a mistake which they’d be hung out to dry for, they couldn’t cope with the responsibility and expectation. He was next to Terry when England got a free kick for offside and said Terry just put the ball down and launched it straight through to the opposition keeper, Carraghers first thought was “would you do that for Chelsea?”, they didn’t want the ball, they wanted it as far away from them as possible. I actually resent a lot of that squad, the ones at Euro 2004 and WC 2006. I went to both tournaments and had tickets for games all the way through to the finals of both. My dad had been to the WC Final in 66 and really thought this was my chance, I always said it’s the one thing I would give anything to see in my lifetime, England win the WC. We had an unbelievable squad around that time, top top players for every position, but we just didn’t perform. Since then when you hear the likes of Ferdinand and Gerrard admitting squad harmony wasn’t great because of something as pathetic as club rivalry you really do start to despise the overpaid arseholes, they’ve really no idea the lengths and expense fans go to to follow their country. I stopped following England after the 2006 WC. Totally agree the number of players who you could have said would be worthy captains then is ridiculous. Neville, Ferdinand, Campbell, Terry, Carragher, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard. You could probably include Ashley Cole and Michael Carrick in that as well. The fact that we struggled with mentality with those icons of the last 25 years of football is unforgivable. I have never been to an international tournament but it's absolutely on my bucket list.
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Post by glenstrae on Jun 7, 2024 10:36:34 GMT
Southgate's dropped a bollock here. Jarrad Branthwaite should have been on that plane. Everybody knows it. I think there was a good shout for Jack Grealish too cos of how unique he is but can understand why not. Branthwaite however, in my opinion, should be at least number 2 to Maguire if not starting ahead of him
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Post by blencathra on Jun 7, 2024 11:02:24 GMT
I’ve read a few stories of players saying similar about players around that time. Remember Carragher saying he could sense the fear amongst teammates, they feared making a mistake which they’d be hung out to dry for, they couldn’t cope with the responsibility and expectation. He was next to Terry when England got a free kick for offside and said Terry just put the ball down and launched it straight through to the opposition keeper, Carraghers first thought was “would you do that for Chelsea?”, they didn’t want the ball, they wanted it as far away from them as possible. I actually resent a lot of that squad, the ones at Euro 2004 and WC 2006. I went to both tournaments and had tickets for games all the way through to the finals of both. My dad had been to the WC Final in 66 and really thought this was my chance, I always said it’s the one thing I would give anything to see in my lifetime, England win the WC. We had an unbelievable squad around that time, top top players for every position, but we just didn’t perform. Since then when you hear the likes of Ferdinand and Gerrard admitting squad harmony wasn’t great because of something as pathetic as club rivalry you really do start to despise the overpaid arseholes, they’ve really no idea the lengths and expense fans go to to follow their country. I stopped following England after the 2006 WC. Totally agree the number of players who you could have said would be worthy captains then is ridiculous. Neville, Ferdinand, Campbell, Terry, Carragher, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard. You could probably include Ashley Cole and Michael Carrick in that as well. The fact that we struggled with mentality with those icons of the last 25 years of football is unforgivable. I have never been to an international tournament but it's absolutely on my bucket list. You listen to some of the players from that era and you get the impression that playing for England was not top of their priorities. Club rivalry is good in domestic competitions but should be put to one side when playing for your country. Southgate to his credit seems to have overcome this problem and the players seem genuinely desperate to get into his squad.Whether they've got the mental toughness required at this level remains to be seen.
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Post by wukkie on Jun 7, 2024 15:53:44 GMT
That's because there's not that many english players left at the top clubs anymore. Bring back the three foreigner rule for me.
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Post by localcumbrian on Jun 7, 2024 17:02:17 GMT
There's a really good program about Wayne Rooney at Euro 2004 on BBC iPlayer at the moment. He was absolutely frightening in that tournament and if he hadn't broken his foot, due to the strength of his mentality as much as his ability there's every chance we could have won that tournament. What he also did say though was that in that Portugal game, he looked at him teammates and thought they looked scared and it was him as an 18 year old boy the "golden generation" of players looked to for belief. I’ve read a few stories of players saying similar about players around that time. Remember Carragher saying he could sense the fear amongst teammates, they feared making a mistake which they’d be hung out to dry for, they couldn’t cope with the responsibility and expectation. He was next to Terry when England got a free kick for offside and said Terry just put the ball down and launched it straight through to the opposition keeper, Carraghers first thought was “would you do that for Chelsea?”, they didn’t want the ball, they wanted it as far away from them as possible. I actually resent a lot of that squad, the ones at Euro 2004 and WC 2006. I went to both tournaments and had tickets for games all the way through to the finals of both. My dad had been to the WC Final in 66 and really thought this was my chance, I always said it’s the one thing I would give anything to see in my lifetime, England win the WC. We had an unbelievable squad around that time, top top players for every position, but we just didn’t perform. Since then when you hear the likes of Ferdinand and Gerrard admitting squad harmony wasn’t great because of something as pathetic as club rivalry you really do start to despise the overpaid arseholes, they’ve really no idea the lengths and expense fans go to to follow their country. I stopped following England after the 2006 WC. Exactly. That whole big club rivalry bollocks between the England players in 2006 was very immature as there was that Chelsea v Man Utd match at the end of the season where Rooney wore extra long studs to intentionally crock John Terry and he almost did, not caring that there was just a world cup around the corner and it back fired on Rooney as he got his studs caught in the grass which did his metatarsal right before the tournament and he was rubbish. Erikson was one of our biggest let downs failing to stamp his authority over the club rivalry in the England camp and also for the wags circus in Germany, plus his tactics were becoming ancient by then.
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Post by bstandbob on Jun 7, 2024 18:06:18 GMT
Wayne Rooney just said he's disappointed that JB didn't make the cut. Possibly a bit of Everton bias but still nice to hear.
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Jun 7, 2024 18:24:48 GMT
He`s just trying to get on our good side, hoping a job opens up early this season.
I`d give Simpson a 5 year extension, this evening, rather than let Rooney anywhere near BP.
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Post by Big Brother on Jun 7, 2024 18:58:50 GMT
Should have been playing tonight. 1 down already!
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Post by yorkieblue on Jun 7, 2024 19:01:58 GMT
Poor decision if true, particularly if Maguire is out through injury. Probably Branthwaites square and back passing percentages was too low for Southgate.
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Post by yorkieblue on Jun 7, 2024 19:03:09 GMT
Should have been playing tonight. 1 down already! Shit defence.
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Post by crunchblue on Jun 7, 2024 19:09:32 GMT
Interesting that Spain have left out Pau Cubarsi from their final squad. He’s 17 and even better than Branthwaite.
Must be something about centre backs. International coaches don’t seem to want young and inexperienced in that position no matter how good they are.
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Post by swizz on Jun 7, 2024 19:14:34 GMT
Southgate's dropped a bollock here. Jarrad Branthwaite should have been on that plane. Everybody knows it. I think there was a good shout for Jack Grealish too cos of how unique he is but can understand why not. Branthwaite however, in my opinion, should be at least number 2 to Maguire if not starting ahead of him Southgate is clearly Palace biased and it’s ridiculous a decision not to take Jarrad.
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Post by thefoot on Jun 7, 2024 19:18:12 GMT
Southgate's dropped a bollock here. Jarrad Branthwaite should have been on that plane. Everybody knows it. I think there was a good shout for Jack Grealish too cos of how unique he is but can understand why not. Branthwaite however, in my opinion, should be at least number 2 to Maguire if not starting ahead of him Southgate is clearly Palace biased and it’s ridiculous a decision not to take Jarrad. Luke Plange warming up
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Post by rocket on Jun 7, 2024 19:19:15 GMT
He`s just trying to get on our good side, hoping a job opens up early this season. I`d give Simpson a 5 year extension, this evening, rather than let Rooney anywhere near BP. I'm sure he's more intent on keeping his current job at Plymouth than if we have an early season manager vacancy
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