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Post by heyheyalanshoulderl on Apr 7, 2024 11:56:05 GMT
When Lavelle is making the errors himself it is hard to blame somebody else for them and he has made a shit load and also kept his place in the team. Your hatred of Armstrong gets worse by the post, Munchy. Strikers need service, I'm not saying he couldn't have done better but you are now so blinded by hate for him it wouldn't matter if he smashed in 5 goals in the last few games. Lewis could have done better imo but again with the shoddy defending in front of him contributing to free shots from inside the box what chance has he had really? He has made some gaffs as well but I thought his performances have improved markedly, probably why he wasn't dropped for Breeze, rather than Simmo protecting his reputation. I don't hate him at all - I am just massively frustrated by him, all would be forgiven if I seen something in him but Kelly looks a massive upgrade. You could play Kelly on his own and he would be just fine yet everyone says that that Armstrong 'needs' Kelly. I probably cheered more for Armstrong's goal than I have many others this season. Lewis keeps hold of the ball for an age when we are losing - why? These two players probably come in for more flack from me than some others as these two were meant to be an upgrade and to save our lives in League One and all they did was make us worse. I think that is a big jump of a claim for Kelly on the evidence so far, some bits to like and some not so far and also not hit the net himself. Holy used to keep the ball as well, so I'm going to suggest it might be under orders? They are both better players than what they replaced, results have gotten worse, they joined a team in a god awful run of form, it is hard to judge them so far imo
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Post by heyheyalanshoulderl on Apr 7, 2024 11:57:01 GMT
When Lavelle is making the errors himself it is hard to blame somebody else for them and he has made a shit load and also kept his place in the team. Your hatred of Armstrong gets worse by the post, Munchy. Strikers need service, I'm not saying he couldn't have done better but you are now so blinded by hate for him it wouldn't matter if he smashed in 5 goals in the last few games. Lewis could have done better imo but again with the shoddy defending in front of him contributing to free shots from inside the box what chance has he had really?He has made some gaffs as well but I thought his performances have improved markedly, probably why he wasn't dropped for Breeze, rather than Simmo protecting his reputation. And like I said, yourself and others are blaming the midfield and defence rather than admitting that they are just crap. If they do well next season then we can confirm that they are merely two League Two standard players. because that is the ******* reason ffs man, Haaland would look shit in this team. Why would I admit they are crap if I don't think they are crap?
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Post by munchymagic on Apr 7, 2024 11:59:36 GMT
And like I said, yourself and others are blaming the midfield and defence rather than admitting that they are just crap. If they do well next season then we can confirm that they are merely two League Two standard players. because that is the ******* reason ffs man, Haaland would look shit in this team. Why would I admit they are crap if I don't think they are crap? Butterworth looks a cut above in this shit team. You cannot blame the rest of the team for the performance of an individual being rubbish.
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Post by nobbyblue on Apr 7, 2024 12:02:22 GMT
Games played with Lewis 16, goals conceded 39. Games played without Lewis 26, goals conceded 36.
I know it’s not all down to the goalie but those stats don’t look that great!
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Post by munchymagic on Apr 7, 2024 12:05:14 GMT
I don't hate him at all - I am just massively frustrated by him, all would be forgiven if I seen something in him but Kelly looks a massive upgrade. You could play Kelly on his own and he would be just fine yet everyone says that that Armstrong 'needs' Kelly. I probably cheered more for Armstrong's goal than I have many others this season. Lewis keeps hold of the ball for an age when we are losing - why? These two players probably come in for more flack from me than some others as these two were meant to be an upgrade and to save our lives in League One and all they did was make us worse. I think that is a big jump of a claim for Kelly on the evidence so far, some bits to like and some not so far and also not hit the net himself. Holy used to keep the ball as well, so I'm going to suggest it might be under orders? They are both better players than what they replaced, results have gotten worse, they joined a team in a god awful run of form, it is hard to judge them so far imo It doesn't make sense that they are better than what we replaced if the results got worse pal. You can tell right away that Kelly is a bit of a nutter who puts himself about a bit, bit rusty mind but he looks more the player we broke the transfer fee on and not Armstrong. Armstrong has had decent chances of late, better than the ones that Butterworth has had and scored from but the shot has been piss weak from Armstrong. I do look forward to the pair of them banging them in once the opposition is shite though. I tend to only criticise Armstrong when I watch him, listening on the radio they never mention him.
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Post by webster on Apr 7, 2024 12:10:19 GMT
I don't hate him at all - I am just massively frustrated by him, all would be forgiven if I seen something in him but Kelly looks a massive upgrade. You could play Kelly on his own and he would be just fine yet everyone says that that Armstrong 'needs' Kelly. I probably cheered more for Armstrong's goal than I have many others this season. Lewis keeps hold of the ball for an age when we are losing - why? These two players probably come in for more flack from me than some others as these two were meant to be an upgrade and to save our lives in League One and all they did was make us worse. I think that is a big jump of a claim for Kelly on the evidence so far, some bits to like and some not so far and also not hit the net himself. Holy used to keep the ball as well, so I'm going to suggest it might be under orders? They are both better players than what they replaced, results have gotten worse, they joined a team in a god awful run of form, it is hard to judge them so far imo
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Post by heyheyalanshoulderl on Apr 7, 2024 12:12:26 GMT
because that is the ******* reason ffs man, Haaland would look shit in this team. Why would I admit they are crap if I don't think they are crap? Butterworth looks a cut above in this shit team. You cannot blame the rest of the team for the performance of an individual being rubbish. This is why it is all about opinions, Butterworth couldn't hat cows arse with a Banjo, you fail to remember the points lost at Barnsley because he fucked up three glorious chances. He faltters to decieve, a Gibsonesque figure, pretty much had one great game v Stevenage, I bet you couldn't name two more games. How long have you watched football, Munchy? If you can't understand that a striker lives on service I can't help you any further, I said he could have done better but still a striker feeds off other players, in fact, NEEDS other palyers to pass him the ball, you don't see many forwards just get the ball and dribble past everybody and slot it in like 5 aside on a monday night. Same for Lewis, the defence was already in its worst form of the season, again I said he has made a few gaffs but is settling in and has made some great saves as well, though it would be hard not to the amount of shots fired at him.
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Post by heyheyalanshoulderl on Apr 7, 2024 12:14:14 GMT
Games played with Lewis 16, goals conceded 39. Games played without Lewis 26, goals conceded 36. I know it’s not all down to the goalie but those stats don’t look that great! The defence has been an utter shambles since Xmas, before Xmas LAvelle actually looked like a good player, after Reading it has been like his mission is to assist the opposition at least one goal if not two every game. That is the scenario Lewis joined, poor ****** hasn't had much of a hope imo. Yes, he has made a couple of gaffs early on but is improving.
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Post by webster on Apr 7, 2024 12:14:58 GMT
You say it is 'hard to judge them so far imo' and yet you are quite happy to disparage Holy after a mere FOUR league games..
Munchy, I agree with you re Armstrong, good strikers have a habit of being in the right place at the right time but he seems to me to hardly ever be in the right place any of the time
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Post by munchymagic on Apr 7, 2024 12:18:01 GMT
Butterworth looks a cut above in this shit team. You cannot blame the rest of the team for the performance of an individual being rubbish. This is why it is all about opinions, Butterworth couldn't hat cows arse with a Banjo, you fail to remember the points lost at Barnsley because he fucked up three glorious chances. He faltters to decieve, a Gibsonesque figure, pretty much had one great game v Stevenage, I bet you couldn't name two more games. How long have you watched football, Munchy? If you can't understand that a striker lives on service I can't help you any further, I said he could have done better but still a striker feeds off other players, in fact, NEEDS other palyers to pass him the ball, you don't see many forwards just get the ball and dribble past everybody and slot it in like 5 aside on a monday night. Same for Lewis, the defence was already in its worst form of the season, again I said he has made a few gaffs but is settling in and has made some great saves as well, though it would be hard not to the amount of shots fired at him. But Armstrong has had chances. If Holy was still in the team as well as shipping in goals he would also have made some great saves too. The facts go to show that both new players are a downgrade on what we had. When Holy and Lewis went head to head in the play-offs Holy came out on top over two games. Holy also held his nerve at Wembley.
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Post by heyheyalanshoulderl on Apr 7, 2024 12:19:49 GMT
You say it is 'hard to judge them so far imo' and yet you are quite happy to disparage Holy after a mere FOUR league games.. Munchy, I agree with you re Armstrong, good strikers have a habit of being in the right place at the right time but he seems to me to hardly ever be in the right place any of the time A mere 4 games is that how we are going to debate this. Holy didn't join the club in the summer, a mere 4 games, how disingenuous are you trying to be? He has always been a flaky keeper that can't catch, command his box and struggles with daisy cutter shots.
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Post by heyheyalanshoulderl on Apr 7, 2024 12:22:06 GMT
This is why it is all about opinions, Butterworth couldn't hat cows arse with a Banjo, you fail to remember the points lost at Barnsley because he fucked up three glorious chances. He faltters to decieve, a Gibsonesque figure, pretty much had one great game v Stevenage, I bet you couldn't name two more games. How long have you watched football, Munchy? If you can't understand that a striker lives on service I can't help you any further, I said he could have done better but still a striker feeds off other players, in fact, NEEDS other palyers to pass him the ball, you don't see many forwards just get the ball and dribble past everybody and slot it in like 5 aside on a monday night. Same for Lewis, the defence was already in its worst form of the season, again I said he has made a few gaffs but is settling in and has made some great saves as well, though it would be hard not to the amount of shots fired at him. But Armstrong has had chances. If Holy was still in the team as well as shipping in goals he would also have made some great saves too. The facts go to show that both new players are a downgrade on what we had. When Holy and Lewis went head to head in the play-offs Holy came out on top over two games. Holy also held his nerve at Wembley. Well that nails it then, you win, I can't debate against this logic .
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Post by munchymagic on Apr 7, 2024 12:27:50 GMT
You say it is 'hard to judge them so far imo' and yet you are quite happy to disparage Holy after a mere FOUR league games.. Munchy, I agree with you re Armstrong, good strikers have a habit of being in the right place at the right time but he seems to me to hardly ever be in the right place any of the time As said - Armstrong is a blue and I want him like all the others to succeed. Maybe he is being coached or managed wrongly as like you say he is never in the right place - if you watch him he spends more time in the midfield area trying to help out. He reminds me of a lady at my local Post Office where they are all trained to do the counter and the Post Office side of things apart from a lady who is an older member of staff who will not touch a computer, when she is on the counter and no customers are in, the queue for the PO is getting longer so she gets out a broom and frantically brushes around the queue to give the illusion of 'looking busy'.
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Post by nobbyblue on Apr 7, 2024 12:29:54 GMT
You say it is 'hard to judge them so far imo' and yet you are quite happy to disparage Holy after a mere FOUR league games.. Munchy, I agree with you re Armstrong, good strikers have a habit of being in the right place at the right time but he seems to me to hardly ever be in the right place any of the time A mere 4 games is that how we are going to debate this. Holy didn't join the club in the summer, a mere 4 games, how disingenuous are you trying to be? He has always been a flaky keeper that can't catch, command his box and struggles with daisy cutter shots. Holy had 20 clean sheets last season which isn’t too shabby!
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Post by heilkmoon on Apr 7, 2024 12:31:15 GMT
I think this is quite possibly our worst season as far as goalkeeping goes, no-one’s covered themselves in glory although Breeze did ok.
The role of the goalkeeping coach in this has to come into question. Yes, you can say he can’t do anything once they’re on the pitch on a match day, but if he isn’t able to have a positive impact on the performances of 4 different players, how is he doing a good job?
Just one of many areas of the backroom team that requires ruthless scrutiny over the summer.
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