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Post by markovitch1928 on Apr 8, 2024 8:54:44 GMT
I completely disagree on the point that we haven't scored enough goals. For me it's been the other end that has cost us our place in this league. In 2024 we have failed to score in 4 of 18 games. Pompy at the other end of the table have failed to score in 3 of 18 games, so almost identical to us. We have only kept 2 clean sheets in 42 games, if we had kept 6 more which taking out individual errors would have been more than achievable we would probably be still in with a chance of survival. Agreed. The Stevenage game summed it up. At one stage we took the lead in 4 out of 5 games, then lost them all? Huntingdon, back, not getting played. Very poor
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Post by weloveyoucarlisle on Apr 8, 2024 8:57:26 GMT
I completely disagree on the point that we haven't scored enough goals. For me it's been the other end that has cost us our place in this league. In 2024 we have failed to score in 4 of 18 games. Pompy at the other end of the table have failed to score in 3 of 18 games, so almost identical to us. We have only kept 2 clean sheets in 42 games, if we had kept 6 more which taking out individual errors would have been more than achievable we would probably be still in with a chance of survival. You could be right and I could be wrong, because everything is interconnected (as Munchy implied). But, from my perspective, the lack of goals leading to the erosion of confidence happened in the 2023 part of the season. More recently, we've improved in that regard.
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Post by bstandbob on Apr 8, 2024 9:06:30 GMT
There has just not been enough desire to not concede this season. That 4th goal against Cambridge told a huge story of how much of a weak mentality towards defending we have had this season. I love watching defenders congratulating themselves when they make a block or tackle even when they are 3-0 up, just because keeping that clean sheet is so important to them. Last season was built on clean sheets, we need to focus on that next and imo everything else will fall into place.
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Post by ccu on Apr 8, 2024 9:16:41 GMT
I think this is quite possibly our worst season as far as goalkeeping goes 99/00 when we used several Keepers - Weaver, Dibble, Keen, Van Der Kwaak and Ingham, possibly a couple more, off the top of my head…
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Post by heilkmoon on Apr 8, 2024 9:24:00 GMT
I think this is quite possibly our worst season as far as goalkeeping goes 99/00 when we used several Keepers - Weaver, Dibble, Keen, Van Der Kwaak and Ingham, possibly a couple more, off the top of my head… I was just looking online to try and recall the details, obviously some of those names were shite and only played the odd game but wikipedia (if it can be trusted) says Weaver was voted player of the season. Which is what you'd expect in a shit side, whereas I don't think any of the keepers this season will be troubling the judges despite one of the weakest fields ever for player of the season.
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Apr 8, 2024 10:08:54 GMT
Watched the playoff final, in a pub with some non Carlisle supporting friends, and I was dreading it going to penalties, and said to them, Holy can`t get down quick enough, so they`ll put them all low, and win on penalties.
Then went outside for a smoke during the shootout, as I couldn`t bear watching it, and then my mate comes running out..
"That Goalie you said couldn`t save penalties low ? He`s just saved one low !"
We both ran back inside, and then watched as Holy`s save was the defining moment of the shootout.
But what a crap 12 months it`s been for him since then, I think when Charter`s pen went in, he went running up the pitch, but most of the players, went and mobbed Holy, might be wrong on this though ? From Wembley hero, to a reserve L2 GK in less than a year.
The Lewis signing was one I was really happy with, Bradford fans loved him, and I thought he`d help us sneak some points, as we tried to claw our way back to safety, but I never imagined it would be so bad for him, and those numbers are alarming.
But good GK`s tend to find their way back to form one way or another, and I`m happy for him to be the No.1 next season, but if we don`t start the season on fire, and he`s costing us points, then I`d be looking to replace him in the January window.
Maybe Bradford will have some money by then, as I`m sure they`d take him back today, if we offered him to them.
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Post by dstander on Apr 8, 2024 15:40:16 GMT
I completely disagree on the point that we haven't scored enough goals. For me it's been the other end that has cost us our place in this league. In 2024 we have failed to score in 4 of 18 games. Pompy at the other end of the table have failed to score in 3 of 18 games, so almost identical to us. We have only kept 2 clean sheets in 42 games, if we had kept 6 more which taking out individual errors would have been more than achievable we would probably be still in with a chance of survival. I bet the importance of Pompey’s goals and games scored in was far greater than ours, we seemed to be scoring a lot of consolation goals. Whereas Pompey were scoring to win games, we were scoring at 2 and 3-0 down when the games were lost.
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Post by bstandbob on Apr 8, 2024 15:45:41 GMT
I completely disagree on the point that we haven't scored enough goals. For me it's been the other end that has cost us our place in this league. In 2024 we have failed to score in 4 of 18 games. Pompy at the other end of the table have failed to score in 3 of 18 games, so almost identical to us. We have only kept 2 clean sheets in 42 games, if we had kept 6 more which taking out individual errors would have been more than achievable we would probably be still in with a chance of survival. I bet the importance of Pompey’s goals and games scored in was far greater than ours, we seemed to be scoring a lot of consolation goals. Whereas Pompey were scoring to win games, we were scoring at 2 and 3-0 down when the games were lost. Think it was mentioned further up the thread we took the lead in 4 out of 5 games. Agree it's not an exact science to directly compare ours and Pompy's goalscoring stats but just thought it emphasises how actually conceding so many poor goals makes it so difficult to pick up points.
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Post by dstander on Apr 8, 2024 16:10:29 GMT
I bet the importance of Pompey’s goals and games scored in was far greater than ours, we seemed to be scoring a lot of consolation goals. Whereas Pompey were scoring to win games, we were scoring at 2 and 3-0 down when the games were lost. Think it was mentioned further up the thread we took the lead in 4 out of 5 games. Agree it's not an exact science to directly compare ours and Pompy's goalscoring stats but just thought it emphasises how actually conceding so many poor goals makes it so difficult to pick up points. Totally agree with you about conceding, we’d have to be the league’s top scorers to be picking up points on a regular basis with our goals against record! I think it’s only 5 games since the turn of the year that we’ve scored consolations in, I thought it was more.
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Post by bstandbob on Apr 8, 2024 17:30:04 GMT
Yes your right Dstand, 5 games we have scored in when the game if efficiency done since Jan. I make it 7 games since the turn of the year that we have lost (1 drawn) having scored in and been in winning or level positions in the game.
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Post by vallery on Apr 9, 2024 12:37:11 GMT
Don't be like that pal, as you know it is all about opinions. Armstrong is however in the same boat as every other player as in getting service for scoring and others seem to find a way of getting more goals than he has managed. Sorry pal, it was a shitty reply tbh. Not sure who is scoring these goals though Gibson is the top scorer with 7, Mellish now with 5, Butterworth with 4 (in 30) Armstrong with 3 in 17 (which is poor, I do agree) Take away three games and you can take off 3 for Mellish, 3 for Gibson andd 2 for Butterworth and that would really be a shocking state of affairs and goes to show how little this team is providing goal scoring opportunities. Armstrong has actually played more minutes than Butterworth this season. Many of Butterworth's appearances have been off the bench, he's only started 10 and most of those have been recently. I think it's been one of Simpson's failings this season to have realised too late that Butterworth should have been involved more.
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Post by heilkmoon on Apr 9, 2024 12:49:07 GMT
Sorry pal, it was a shitty reply tbh. Not sure who is scoring these goals though Gibson is the top scorer with 7, Mellish now with 5, Butterworth with 4 (in 30) Armstrong with 3 in 17 (which is poor, I do agree) Take away three games and you can take off 3 for Mellish, 3 for Gibson andd 2 for Butterworth and that would really be a shocking state of affairs and goes to show how little this team is providing goal scoring opportunities. Armstrong has actually played more minutes than Butterworth this season. Many of Butterworth's appearances have been off the bench, he's only started 10 and most of those have been recently. I think it's been one of Simpson's failings this season to have realised too late that Butterworth should have been involved more. My impression has been that Butterworth hasn't been fit enough for much of the season, whether that's his own fault or not. Not sure being taken off after an hour because you're totally knackered is good enough in the apparently super-athletic League One. He's only 24, not 34. He needs to demonstrate that he can improve considerably in that respect for me to consider keeping him.
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Post by bstandbob on Apr 9, 2024 12:49:32 GMT
Based on performances last few months not using Butterworth and McGeouch is looking like a bad decision. Those 2 were brought in due to having played in L1 last season, obviously they have both had injuries but there has been many times they have been completely omitted from the squad.
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Post by weloveyoucarlisle on Apr 9, 2024 12:49:55 GMT
Sorry pal, it was a shitty reply tbh. Not sure who is scoring these goals though Gibson is the top scorer with 7, Mellish now with 5, Butterworth with 4 (in 30) Armstrong with 3 in 17 (which is poor, I do agree) Take away three games and you can take off 3 for Mellish, 3 for Gibson andd 2 for Butterworth and that would really be a shocking state of affairs and goes to show how little this team is providing goal scoring opportunities. Armstrong has actually played more minutes than Butterworth this season. Many of Butterworth's appearances have been off the bench, he's only started 10 and most of those have been recently. I think it's been one of Simpson's failings this season to have realised too late that Butterworth should have been involved more. I'm all for supporting Simmo, but why he kept playing Plange in the first half of the season is a mystery to me. I said from the beginning, based on what you could read from his interview, that his attitude was poor and entitled. (Perhaps there was some kind of agreement that, unless injured, he must be played?)
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Post by heyheyalanshoulderl on Apr 9, 2024 12:59:38 GMT
Sorry pal, it was a shitty reply tbh. Not sure who is scoring these goals though Gibson is the top scorer with 7, Mellish now with 5, Butterworth with 4 (in 30) Armstrong with 3 in 17 (which is poor, I do agree) Take away three games and you can take off 3 for Mellish, 3 for Gibson andd 2 for Butterworth and that would really be a shocking state of affairs and goes to show how little this team is providing goal scoring opportunities. Armstrong has actually played more minutes than Butterworth this season. Many of Butterworth's appearances have been off the bench, he's only started 10 and most of those have been recently. I think it's been one of Simpson's failings this season to have realised too late that Butterworth should have been involved more. he got starts after his two goal salvo and has been found wanting. Another player that arrived at the club not fit to play from the off, like McGeoch. Obviously he has some talent but he is even more inconsistent then Gibson.
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