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Post by mullen103 on Apr 18, 2024 20:32:03 GMT
I’m not bothering - staying at home wrapped in cotton wool where it’s safe.
Very windy as well, will get blown over in this.
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Post by bstandbob on Apr 18, 2024 20:35:05 GMT
I'll be there, looking forward to a few peeves to celebrate the end of an awful season.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 18, 2024 21:50:40 GMT
I'll be there, looking forward to a few peeves to celebrate the end of an awful season. End? The nightmare is just beginning
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Post by moonie on Apr 18, 2024 22:08:06 GMT
I'll be there, looking forward to a few peeves to celebrate the end of an awful season. End? The nightmare is just beginning Oh ye of no faith whatsoever.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 18, 2024 22:15:26 GMT
End? The nightmare is just beginning Oh ye of no faith whatsoever. Evidence based objective assessment > Faith. Or are you suggesting you deal in "faith" rather than empiricism?
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Post by moonie on Apr 18, 2024 22:35:52 GMT
Oh ye of no faith whatsoever. Evidence based objective assessment > Faith. Or are you suggesting you deal in "faith" rather than empiricism? I see plenty of evidence that the club is moving forward. What's happened on the pitch this season has been dire, we all know that. But we're dropping down to what looks like a very poor league 2, and there will be a lot of new faces around the club. We simply have to stop the rot. And rather than spend the next 3 months saying we're going to be shite and talking the club down, I'm going glass half-full (though I reserve the right to be a miserable **** until the window opens).
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 18, 2024 23:04:33 GMT
"we're dropping down to what looks like a very poor league 2"
As "very poor" as it looks, we've looked worse than 22 of the sides in it this season. We've also looked tangibly worse than the other relegated clubs from tier three and the clubs at the top end of tier five.
That's the reality.
"We simply have to stop the rot."
Simply?
We have a squad full of awful players on long contracts who have zero respect for the football staff. A manager who is in a tactical breakdown. A recruitment department in an embarrassing shambles. We've utterly failed in the last two transfer windows despite having ample resources. Our performances on the pitch (you know, the place where it actually matters) have declined from awful to abysmal in the last twelve months.
Where is the evidence (purely on the football side) there is going to be any improvement and the club is "moving forward"?
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Post by moonie on Apr 18, 2024 23:28:28 GMT
"we're dropping down to what looks like a very poor league 2" As "very poor" as it looks, we've looked worse than 22 of the sides in it this season. We've also looked tangibly worse than the other relegated clubs from tier three and the clubs at the top end of tier five. That's the reality. "We simply have to stop the rot." Simply? We have a squad full of awful players on long contracts who have zero respect for the football staff. A manager who is in a tactical breakdown. A recruitment department in an embarrassing shambles. We've utterly failed in the last two transfer windows despite having ample resources. Our performances on the pitch (you know, the place where it actually matters) have declined from awful to abysmal in the last twelve months. Where is the evidence (purely on the football side) there is going to be any improvement and the club is "moving forward"? "We've looked worse than 22 of the sides in it this season" - how many league 2 games have you watched this season? Have you watched 22 clubs on a regular basis? Simply, yes. We simply have to stop the rot. And we will - whether that's by hitting the ground running, or getting a bad start and changing the manager, this club will stop the rot. Purely on the football side? A training facility will help improve the football side. It's on the way, with subtle pressure now being applied on those holding up the process. Ample resources indeed. They will be better employed this summer, with a much bigger pool of players available on more favourable terms. And if they aren't, there will be a new hierarchy in place by January.
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Post by crunchblue on Apr 18, 2024 23:30:30 GMT
Man of science, man of faith
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 18, 2024 23:34:41 GMT
Man of science, man of faith I said "empiricism", not "science", thanks.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 18, 2024 23:43:42 GMT
"we're dropping down to what looks like a very poor league 2" As "very poor" as it looks, we've looked worse than 22 of the sides in it this season. We've also looked tangibly worse than the other relegated clubs from tier three and the clubs at the top end of tier five. That's the reality. "We simply have to stop the rot." Simply? We have a squad full of awful players on long contracts who have zero respect for the football staff. A manager who is in a tactical breakdown. A recruitment department in an embarrassing shambles. We've utterly failed in the last two transfer windows despite having ample resources. Our performances on the pitch (you know, the place where it actually matters) have declined from awful to abysmal in the last twelve months. Where is the evidence (purely on the football side) there is going to be any improvement and the club is "moving forward"? "We've looked worse than 22 of the sides in it this season" - how many league 2 games have you watched this season? Have you watched 22 clubs on a regular basis? Yes, I regularly watch football at all levels. Simply, yes. We simply have to stop the rot. And we will - whether that's by hitting the ground running, or getting a bad start and changing the manager, this club will stop the rot. This is faith based reasoning, where is the evidence?Purely on the football side? A training facility will help improve the football side. It's on the way, with subtle pressure now being applied on those holding up the process. There is no guarantee a "training facility" will "help improve the football side". Having a "training facility" did not improve Fleetwood this season, for example. It's about the people, not about the grass.Ample resources indeed. They will be better employed this summer, with a much bigger pool of players available on more favourable terms. And if they aren't, there will be a new hierarchy in place by January. Where is the evidence the ample resources will be more effectively deployed this summer? The evidence of the last two transfer windows suggests otherwise. A "bigger pool" of players available doesn't mean you can necessarily find and sign the right players, more available players surely makes this more difficult (if anything). Again zero evidence for optimism.I asked for evidence, you failed to provide it. Your arguments are based on faith alone. And you're perfectly entitled to be optimistic, fair play to you. However, I prefer to base my opinions on objective assessment and actual evidence.
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Post by crunchblue on Apr 19, 2024 6:31:31 GMT
"we're dropping down to what looks like a very poor league 2" As "very poor" as it looks, we've looked worse than 22 of the sides in it this season. We've also looked tangibly worse than the other relegated clubs from tier three and the clubs at the top end of tier five. That's the reality. "We simply have to stop the rot." Simply? We have a squad full of awful players on long contracts who have zero respect for the football staff. A manager who is in a tactical breakdown. A recruitment department in an embarrassing shambles. We've utterly failed in the last two transfer windows despite having ample resources. Our performances on the pitch (you know, the place where it actually matters) have declined from awful to abysmal in the last twelve months. Where is the evidence (purely on the football side) there is going to be any improvement and the club is "moving forward"? You might want to try handing out some hope every once in a while? Even if there's a 50% probability that we’re hopelessly screwed, folks are much more inclined to hear that 50% chance that things are gonna be OK. But Crunch that’s false hope I hear you say. Maybe, but it’s still hope.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 19, 2024 7:19:40 GMT
"we're dropping down to what looks like a very poor league 2" As "very poor" as it looks, we've looked worse than 22 of the sides in it this season. We've also looked tangibly worse than the other relegated clubs from tier three and the clubs at the top end of tier five. That's the reality. "We simply have to stop the rot." Simply? We have a squad full of awful players on long contracts who have zero respect for the football staff. A manager who is in a tactical breakdown. A recruitment department in an embarrassing shambles. We've utterly failed in the last two transfer windows despite having ample resources. Our performances on the pitch (you know, the place where it actually matters) have declined from awful to abysmal in the last twelve months. Where is the evidence (purely on the football side) there is going to be any improvement and the club is "moving forward"? You might want to try handing out some hope every once in a while? Even if there's a 50% probability that we’re hopelessly screwed, folks are much more inclined to hear that 50% chance that things are gonna be OK. But Crunch that’s false hope I hear you say. Maybe, but it’s still hope. Hope is a different question. I hope I'm wrong, but what I think is going to happen (based on empirical evidence) and what I hope is going to happen are different things.
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Post by crunchblue on Apr 19, 2024 7:43:44 GMT
You might want to try handing out some hope every once in a while? Even if there's a 50% probability that we’re hopelessly screwed, folks are much more inclined to hear that 50% chance that things are gonna be OK. But Crunch that’s false hope I hear you say. Maybe, but it’s still hope. Hope is a different question. I hope I'm wrong, but what I think is going to happen (based on empirical evidence) and what I hope is going to happen are different things. To relay what you know without fully understanding it will cause a panic. If you tell the fanbase what you know, you take away their hope. And hope is a very dangerous thing to lose.
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Post by markovitch1928 on Apr 19, 2024 11:51:10 GMT
You might want to try handing out some hope every once in a while? Even if there's a 50% probability that we’re hopelessly screwed, folks are much more inclined to hear that 50% chance that things are gonna be OK. But Crunch that’s false hope I hear you say. Maybe, but it’s still hope. Hope is a different question. I hope I'm wrong, but what I think is going to happen (based on empirical evidence) and what I hope is going to happen are different things. I hope I'm wrong, hm, really? You don't usually react well to that. This is what will happen according to the empirical evidence? Empirical evidence comes from observation (unless you've been experimenting on the players) so unless you can see into the future there is no empirical evidence. It's therefore an opinion based on a belief system. I asked before, what is the club doing well? One thing, just one?
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