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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 19:06:30 GMT
I have just looked at the tweets about this. I've got to say it makes me uneasy. Maybe its just me.
As far as CUOSC goes, I have been a member for most years. I think they have done some good things over the years. I get very frustrated that like so much else, there is a load of talk and little action but I also recognise there are things that they can't talk about and I also believe they are all Carlisle United fans trying to do their best for the club.
I am not a member at the moment. I decided not to bother as to be honest there weren't any real benefits for me to join.
Now of course there is a good reason to join, to hear what the prospective new owners have to say, but to make it a members meeting, to me, is just wrong.
The first time new owners talk to Carlisle United fans, surely it must be open to all, not a selected few? CUOSC musn't use new owners just as a chance to fill their coffers, they should be running a meeting open to all. If they do it well then I'm sure people will join.
If the first time fans have the chance to meet new owners is turned into a meeting where all fans are not welcome, only members allowed, then I feel CUOSC are serving themselves not the fans and that would be a shame for them, the club and the owners.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Sept 1, 2023 19:11:39 GMT
"I feel CUOSC are serving themselves not the fans"
No surprise there then.
Leopards do not change their spots.
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Post by arragorn on Sept 1, 2023 19:30:50 GMT
As I have said before they are not fit for purpose. As part owners of the club they should not be self styed as the "official supporters club".
There should ne imo a supporters club independent of the club ownership like it used to be before the Trust came into being.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 19:55:21 GMT
I might be wrong but did CUOSC not take on the role of supporters club because no one else would do it ?
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Post by mullen103 on Sept 1, 2023 20:07:51 GMT
I get bumbles point and agree the meeting should be for all.
But we’ve got no details of the Piataks plans yet. We heard rumours from Simmo that it’ll be good for the club “exciting” but no details. So although the initial stuff is good we can’t get excited as there’s nothing officially said.
For all we know the Piataks could be giving the trust millions or investing through the trust hence it being a trust members meeting or the more like scenario that they want dilution.
For me we should be hearing from them now, give us time to digest their plans and ask any relevant questions. I don’t want to be going to this meeting knowing nothing as it’ll be a pointless first meeting imo.
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Post by mullen103 on Sept 2, 2023 10:10:53 GMT
The meeting is online, not confirmed, but I imagine it’ll be open for all?
CCU - can you confirm?
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Post by ccu on Sept 2, 2023 10:26:17 GMT
The Plan is for the Stream to be available to all, as mentioned in N&S Column and Briefing this week.
Full details announced shortly…
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 10:10:31 GMT
That is reassuring, I guess I am jumping the gun.
If CUOSC is hosting an event where the new owners speak from the platform and it's broadcast online, then great. I am glad they are doing it.
From what I had read I was envisaging an event where fans could ask questions and interact with the owners. Anything like that, I feel, must be open to absolutely every fan of Carlisle United, not the chosen few. After all the false dawns and wrong turns, it would be a terrible shame to start a new era with another split between fans in the "in" group and fans who are marginalised but who are actually the majority of the fanbase.
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Post by mullen103 on Sept 3, 2023 10:47:25 GMT
Potential owners or investors atm.
Be interesting to hear what their plans are but I still think they should release something prior - there’s still time.
Were they here yesterday anyone know? if so anyone speak to them?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 11:07:41 GMT
CUOSC own 25% of the shares I think. Will probably need to address the future of the shares and how if at all they relate to potential new investors.
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Post by wukkie on Sept 3, 2023 11:21:44 GMT
When it is an open forum a lot of time and questions can be used up with inane questions on subjects which have been repeated before tenfold.
Much more important things get asked down to the nitty gritty rather than the price of a cup of soup or the back lane.
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Post by terrierman on Sept 3, 2023 19:12:20 GMT
I am pretty sure it will be a takeover and not an investment. I think it's great they are willing to meet fans and tell us their plans, we can then get behind them.
I am also sure if asked the Trust will dilute their shareholding to allow a deal to happen.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Sept 3, 2023 23:14:36 GMT
I am also sure if asked the Trust will dilute their shareholding to allow a deal to happen. Have you been sniffing glue? There's no chance this will happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2023 7:17:09 GMT
I’m sure there will be - but there must be a briefing of the proposal before members meetings. Need to understand what’s being proposed rather than have to ask the questions about the proposal and miss the opportunity for detail.
Already one up on our current major shareholder by agreeing to meet fans - probably means they won’t get a stand named after them though.
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Post by moose on Sept 4, 2023 7:42:08 GMT
Any takeover should involve reducing the Trust's shares in the Club, a potential owner should be free to come in and run the Club as they see fit without the Trust having any say. They don't have any value to be sitting at the top table, just because Mileson gave them some money a few years ago.
The whole point of the Trust was to have a seat at the table and hold the Club to account on behalf of the the fans. All they have done is cosy up to them and they have actually become part of the problem.
They have no meaningful way of raising any substantial investment, and are partly to blame for the current predicament we find ourselves in with Purepay. 25% owners of the Club need to take a 25% portion of the blame for allowing the Club to paint itself in to a corner.
If they are serious about being a true a supporters club then they should get back to selling tickets for coaches and organising the mascots. That is the level they are capable of operating at.
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