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Post by mullen103 on Feb 29, 2024 22:07:07 GMT
On another thread someone posted they aren’t going to vote in the next GE and I’m exactly like that.
The last GE I spoilt my paper and this/next I don’t think I can be bothered to go, which is a real shame as everyone should vote but what do you do if there’s no one.
Reform is probably the best for me but all that’ll do in Carlisle is put Labour in, I certainly don’t want them or the conservatives.
Stuck
One thing I’m getting already is how nasty it is, it’s going to be the nastiest one I know and you have to pick a side and labour won’t agree with the tories on anything and vice versa etc. it’s a shame, I read recently that Tony Blair and Hague were good friends but went at it at the dispatch box, that’s how it should be but there’s it’s gone tribal now which only the country is suffering for.
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Post by dotdotdash on Mar 1, 2024 9:26:43 GMT
If reform cant even get more than 2000 votes in that shambles of a Rochdale election then theyve got absolutely no hope of winning anywhere else. Everything was in there favour with the mess that Labour made of the campaign, the mess that the Tories have made of the country and how polarised Rochdale is with immigration, and they still come way behind someone who pretended to be a cat on big brother!
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Post by mullen103 on Mar 1, 2024 12:01:14 GMT
If reform cant even get more than 2000 votes in that shambles of a Rochdale election then theyve got absolutely no hope of winning anywhere else. Everything was in there favour with the mess that Labour made of the campaign, the mess that the Tories have made of the country and how polarised Rochdale is with immigration, and they still come way behind someone who pretended to be a cat on big brother! I agree with you, reform won’t get any mps at the next election. Quite sad with all the things that have happened in Rochdale the election was based upon Gaza with the large Muslim population of Rochdale voting for Galloway. There is going to be more of this Muslim tribalism in uk voting in the next few years. IMO this is extremely worrying but no doubt I’ll be accused of racism but with multiculturalism being what it is it was only a matter of time. Britain in the next 20 years will be a complete and utter shithole, much worse than now.
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Post by weloveyoucarlisle on Mar 1, 2024 12:25:06 GMT
There are now huge problems in the UK which will stifle any genuine attempt at political change. Democracy, itself, is under threat.
Cancel culture and woke influences are the latest in left-wing ideology that was mildly amusing back in the days of political correctness. Now it poses a serious threat to thinking skills and freedom of speech. It's infiltration into mainstream media and academic institutions has been disastrous. Add to this the stranglehold of the quangocracy, plus the bias of the civil "service". Even the corporate world is being held to ransom, with many to scared to stand up for common sense.
Proportional Representation is dreadful and we're at least fortunate in the UK to have "first past the post". Whereas every system is flawed, ours is less flawed than most. But, on the downside, the two main parties usually stifle conviction. Everything is watered down to appeal to the bland middle ground.
Genuinely capable individuals will steer well wide of joining political parties as prospective candidates.
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Post by briary on Mar 1, 2024 12:43:43 GMT
If you paid MP’s more you might get better candidates.
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Post by weloveyoucarlisle on Mar 1, 2024 13:20:34 GMT
If you paid MP’s more you might get better candidates. The calibre of MPs that you ideally want mostly won't need a salary because they'll already be financially sound. The best motivation is service before self. Trump Derangement Syndrome WARNING: Donald Trump's salary as US President was $0.00. He refused to take even one dollar. His private aircraft was better furnished than Hair Force One (defence capabilities aside). He genuinely wants to see his country get better, genuinely thinking he can do a better job than any politician. His achievements prior to Covid had the world's finance experts/media all onside after his outstanding speech at Davos 2020 and throughout the weeks afterwards - plus he put the Angry Girl in her place with a brief mention of his environmental achievements, without even mentioning her name. (Okay, blast away if you wish - but I hope you've watched his key speeches in full, without the usual shameful editing. And I hope you've heard how he treated Tim Scott's mother.)
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Post by northernsoul on Mar 1, 2024 14:36:20 GMT
If reform cant even get more than 2000 votes in that shambles of a Rochdale election then theyve got absolutely no hope of winning anywhere else. Everything was in there favour with the mess that Labour made of the campaign, the mess that the Tories have made of the country and how polarised Rochdale is with immigration, and they still come way behind someone who pretended to be a cat on big brother! Well you clearly know absolutely nothing about what went on yesterday in Rochdale How the hell do you have a legitimate election when 3 of the candidates arent even present on voting day and another one wasnt allowed into the count by the complete imbeciles at GMP Plod. And why do you have a declaration in a room no bigger than my living room Galloway deserved to win he manipulated the Muslim vote to ensure that he did but whats the point electing him he never survives the following election the best thing for Rochdale would have been if the independant guy who came from from nowhere had won. Disappointing result for Reform but i saw it coming and said so Danczuk was a crap MP last time who left in disgrace Why the hell Tice picked him to stand god knows. The next by election is likley to be in Blackpool Sth where its 98% white so there will be none of this Muslim manipulation and if you want to see evidence of that i.ll bet the number of postal votes applied there for wont amount to 25% of what there was yesterday
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Post by weloveyoucarlisle on Mar 1, 2024 14:46:35 GMT
Whatever you think of him, Gallaway is an excellent speaker who is hard to 100% dismiss. His past is extremely dodgy, but he's learned not to get so easily caught. Rotherham wasn't a shining light for democracy. Good to see NS calling out the Reform candidate for what he is. Postal votes are always an open opportunity to commit fraud on an industrial scale.
[NS: If you missed my response to our previous exchange on another thread, here it is again: NS: My apologies. I should have said Proportional Representation rather than PR to avoid potential confusion through two possible interpretations. "First past the post" is probably the best of all systems - all of which are flawed.
I agree with you about duty when it comes to voting, but I stop short of the Australian "you must" system. I feel badly let down. Mrs WLYC and Nipples are outraged at how democracy is being hijacked. Although constantly busy, Mrs WLYC closely follows what's happening in the US. I wish we had a Sean Hannity and Megyn Kelly over here as a source of comment/news.
Reform unfortunately won't be the answer. Will we get another Maggie Thatcher in the remainder of my lifetime? Unlikely. (She only got in as a "stalking horse" against the useless Ted Heath.) Big parties tend to go against mavericks or real change.]
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Post by northernsoul on Mar 1, 2024 14:48:52 GMT
If you paid MP’s more you might get better candidates. You have to be joking i.ll bet there isnt a single one there whos income from all sources isnt 250k If you really want better candidates increase the wage to 150k but no extra jobs or directorships and buy a couple of hotels where they are the only places you can claim the expenses of staying over. There are MP.s claiming up to 250k as the cost of renting a house then staying with relatives or friends and pocketing the cash. But youre right the quality of the current bunch has to be the worst ever and it says something that the best MP in the house is a Tory.
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Post by northernsoul on Mar 1, 2024 15:03:01 GMT
Whatever you think of him, Gallaway is an excellent speaker who is hard to 100% dismiss. His past is extremely dodgy, but he's learned not to get so easily caught. Rotherham wasn't a shining light for democracy. Good to see NS calling out the Reform candidate for what he is. Postal votes are always an open opportunity to committed fraud on an industrial scale. [NS: If you missed my response to our previous exchange on another thread, here it is again: NS: My apologies. I should have said Proportional Representation rather than PR to avoid potential confusion through two possible interpretations. "First past the post" is probably the best of all systems - all of which are flawed. I agree with you about duty when it comes to voting, but I stop short of the Australian "you must" system. I feel badly let down. Mrs WLYC and Nipples are outraged at how democracy is being hijacked. Although constantly busy, Mrs WLYC closely follows what's happening in the US. I wish we had a Sean Hannity and Megyn Kelly over here as a source of comment/news. Reform unfortunately won't be the answer. Will we get another Maggie Thatcher in the remainder of my lifetime? Unlikely. (She only got in as a "stalking horse" against the useless Ted Heath.) Big parties tend to go against mavericks or real change.] Not sure what your problem with PR is ? I love the thought of having all the horse trading that they have on the continent where to get to form a government you have to go right down to the tiny parties to get them on board to get you over the line It would certainaly improve British politics no end. As for Reform i think Tices rant last night might have bought him a bit more time but Anderson and Potentially Farage are sat waiting in the wings a lot will rest on who they pick for Blackpool and how they get on
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Post by weloveyoucarlisle on Mar 1, 2024 15:16:25 GMT
NS: I'm against PR for two simple reasons. First, it completely annihilates the chances of genuine conviction politics (e.g. Margaret Thatcher). Second, the backroom horse trading doesn't represent the people or do our fledgling democracy any favours because personal career ambitions - and worse - dominate. You see this in governments throughout mainland Europe, and in the EU. (In a world where thinking skills were vastly improved, together with the emergence of integrity, it could work - but not at this semi-primitive stage of our evolution.)
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Post by weloveyoucarlisle on Mar 1, 2024 15:22:30 GMT
I should add that our "first past the post" system has been widely considered the best, or least worst, internationally throughout my life (or, at least, until the recent plague of cancel culture and woke). It might be failing or frustrating at present, but you don't always appreciate what you've got 'til it's gone. And, looking from a wider perspective, democracy is only at its infancy.
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Post by briary on Mar 1, 2024 15:27:07 GMT
“The calibre of MPs that you ideally want mostly won't need a salary because they'll already be financially sound. The best motivation is service before self.“
That might have been in the past but with the current self serving lot it’s clear that greed has no bounds.
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Post by briary on Mar 1, 2024 15:29:32 GMT
“If you really want better candidates increase the wage to 150k but no extra jobs or directorships and buy a couple of hotels where they are the only places you can claim the expenses of staying over.”
I’d go for that as I think most people would. If they were working for their constituents or ministerial jobs they shouldn’t have time to have second jobs elsewhere.
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Post by 09sider on Mar 1, 2024 15:53:54 GMT
Reform have no chance to win anywhere if they select people like Danczuk, that was a serious own goal. If they want to challenge the two main parties and the upcoming threat of Muslim driven ones they need credible candidates.
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