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Post by moonie on Jan 23, 2024 18:35:07 GMT
It's now crystal clear that the old Project Blue Yonder was nothing but a fantasy idea to feed the fans. Jenkins/Nixon/Pattison had no intention of ever going forward with, that much was obvious. It was simply a way of deflecting, to make it seem like they were doing something proactive to take the heat off while they sit and let Brunton Park fester. This is a quote from their Blue Yonder questions and answers when asked about whether it's possible to develop the East Stand... 'Due to the poor design of the East Stand the internal areas are either too small for corporate boxes, inappropriate layout for a restaurant and unsuitable for lettable spaces.'Now proven to be lies. I'm sure I even recall them saying something about the structure of the East Stand being so bad it can't have any renovations whatsoever. (although I can't find that quote) I seem to remember claims at the time it would cost £18m or so to fix the East stand? Total rubbish. Aim of the game, in my opinion at least, was to put as little in as they could get away with to keep the old boys club going. Jenkins is worth £15m+ apparently, but he couldn't afford to pay for a new WRE toilet block? AJ will have an eye on his legacy to his family, and he can't really be blamed for that. Had plenty of criticism for the old regime, but the last two big decisions they made were pivotal for the club - bringing in Simpson, and leaving the club in the hands of the Piataks. It may not change the decade and a half of misery we had to endure, but it looks like it's all worked out as well as it could have at this point.
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Post by moonie on Jan 23, 2024 18:40:36 GMT
Merged threads on ground improvements
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Post by blues86 on Jan 23, 2024 18:48:01 GMT
Two decisions that were basically forced on them Moonie. Getting Simmo back is an easy decision for any Carlisle owner and it was also a last desperate roll of the dice to stop us going out of the league. We could have ended up eventually going bust and Jenkins family being liable for the PP loan. I think that jolted them out of their slumber and into the realisation that it was now in their own personal interests to sell the club and get the responsibility for the debt moved onto someone else. Simmo making it clear that if he came back the ownership needed change probably helped on that front as well.
We have struck lucky with the Piataks but i don't think it's a coincidence that a buyer is suddenly found, 15 years into a 'custodianship' and at a point the club was potentially in fairly serious financial peril. If the Piataks had turned up 5-10 years ago, would it even have got to the point of us hearing about it, let alone it actually happening?
The longer the Piataks are in charge and show what can be achieved with a bit of enthusiasm, drive, energy and yes some cash, the more I think people will realise how poor our previous ownership was. If they didn't already!
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Post by moonie on Jan 23, 2024 18:50:21 GMT
Two decisions that were basically forced on them Moonie. Getting Simmo back is an easy decision for any Carlisle owner and it was also a last desperate roll of the dice to stop us going out of the league. We could have ended up eventually going bust and Jenkins family being liable for the PP loan. I think that jolted them out of their slumber and into the realisation that it was now in their own personal interests to sell the club and get the responsibility for the debt moved onto someone else. Simmo making it clear that if he came back the ownership needed change probably helped on that front as well. We have struck lucky with the Piataks but i don't think it's a coincidence that a buyer is suddenly found, 15 years into a 'custodianship' and at a point the club was potentially in fairly serious financial peril. If the Piataks had turned up 5-10 years ago, would it even have got to the point of us hearing about it, let alone it actually happening? The longer the Piataks are in charge and show what can be achieved with a bit of enthusiasm, drive, energy and yes some cash, the more I think people will realise how poor our previous ownership was. If thet didn't already! I don't disagree with a lot of that - but they did give a hearing to a few suitors. The pizza guy, the billionaire, Laffy got a brief look (no idea what went on behind the scenes with that one), and EWM to name a few.
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Post by blues86 on Jan 23, 2024 18:55:32 GMT
The pizza guy was a total red herring, never going to happen. Lapping got fairly close and they shut him down, good or bad they didn't want to sell it to him. EWM I get the feeling they thought they could offload the club and the costs onto them whilst keeping their own positions running the show.
This is all just my opinion on events, but I only think they got serious about selling the club until recently.
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Post by moonie on Jan 23, 2024 18:57:58 GMT
The pizza guy was a total red herring, never going to happen. Lapping got fairly close and they shut him down, good or bad they didn't want to sell it to him. EWM I get the feeling they thought they could offload the club and the costs onto them whilst keeping their own positions running the show. This is all just my opinion on events, but I only think they got serious about selling the club until recently. You're probably right, either way the outcome seems to have been a favourable one. I'm looking forward to the new world - and we'll enjoy any success it brings all the more for having suffered so much mediocrity in recent times.
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Post by happyblue on Jan 23, 2024 19:33:51 GMT
One thing I have enjoy is the positivity (majority ). Although don't know if I keep missing it , but where are the elevators in the drawings
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Post by blue22 on Jan 23, 2024 19:40:13 GMT
Two decisions that were basically forced on them Moonie. Getting Simmo back is an easy decision for any Carlisle owner and it was also a last desperate roll of the dice to stop us going out of the league. We could have ended up eventually going bust and Jenkins family being liable for the PP loan. I think that jolted them out of their slumber and into the realisation that it was now in their own personal interests to sell the club and get the responsibility for the debt moved onto someone else. Simmo making it clear that if he came back the ownership needed change probably helped on that front as well. We have struck lucky with the Piataks but i don't think it's a coincidence that a buyer is suddenly found, 15 years into a 'custodianship' and at a point the club was potentially in fairly serious financial peril. If the Piataks had turned up 5-10 years ago, would it even have got to the point of us hearing about it, let alone it actually happening? The longer the Piataks are in charge and show what can be achieved with a bit of enthusiasm, drive, energy and yes some cash, the more I think people will realise how poor our previous ownership was. If they didn't already! Agree with all of that.The debt they run up and putting all their faith in an EWM takeover was their ultimate downfall, I think they had little appetite to leave and wanted to cling on like a tik, I contiue to be amazed at those that throught the old BOD was good for CUFC, comparing us to; at least we are not some non league club, was a terrible way to think given the obvious potential we have always had.
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Post by moonie on Jan 23, 2024 19:41:09 GMT
One thing I have enjoy is the positivity (majority ). Although don't know if I keep missing it , but where are the elevators in the drawings 2 lifts in the east stand - 1 lift from the reception area, 1 service lift from the kitchen.
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Post by happyblue on Jan 23, 2024 19:49:22 GMT
One thing I have enjoy is the positivity (majority ). Although don't know if I keep missing it , but where are the elevators in the drawings 2 lifts in the east stand - 1 lift from the reception area, 1 service lift from the kitchen. Thanks Moonie,
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Post by bstandbob on Jan 23, 2024 22:44:07 GMT
The Pizza man/Laffy debacle was an absolute embarrassment. Funny how time can distort your memory but was is 18 months of limbo? Fed lie after lie after lie, god those where dark days.
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Post by roysondevereux on Jan 23, 2024 23:05:11 GMT
Some excellent points, and research from Crunchy in particular; referring to things they put out there at the time and just expected us to buy.
They didn't want to spend money. And they wanted things to continue exactly as they had since 1970, so they could run their little boys club.
I really and truly hope the Piataks continue to show them up to be the pitiful owners they were. Chairman Emeritus? Chairman Demeritus.
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Post by markredfox73 on Jan 24, 2024 7:42:27 GMT
And still lots of happy clappers continued to back the horsemen...specifically Jenkins. I was sick of reading the comments if it wasnt for him there would be no club...the biggest pack of lies and mythical beliefs i have ever read...
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Post by blueal on Jan 24, 2024 8:03:56 GMT
Agreed. It just shows how many fans say "I just want to watch the footy" without a second thought to the rubbish being served up on the pitch. They are as responsible for the decline of our club, as much as the three liars. Contemptible people, who knew they were on the hook by Pure Pay and have in my view had a very lucky escape. The final insult being the Andrew Jenkins stand.
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Post by porce on Jan 24, 2024 8:28:15 GMT
Soon be a distant memory that... onwards and (next season) upwards eh??
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