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Post by pigletphoenix on May 1, 2024 23:03:52 GMT
I with Piggy, whilst, the training facilities may be out dated and non league, it isn’t usually the reason. It is typically £££ or a similar offer closer to home. Like the Salford lad that came here to sign, the f***k@d off to Port Vale. It's part of it all , players don't just think about money , it a big factor but anyone who knows pros or has friend who are will tell you this , they think about their career , well the good pros do, if a player is 50/50 about jointing do you arrive to a training facility 20 years out of date helps ? No . Is all a package and you have to offer the best to be the best. What about the curious case of Josh Vela. Fleetwood have a lovely "training complex" which everyone always harps on about. In the January transfer window Vela left Fleetwood to sign for us. How can that possibly have happened? Surely he would've been so horrified by our nightmarish training facilities there's no way he would've left the beauty and grandeur of Fleetwood's training ground behind? It makes no sense.
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Post by happyblue on May 1, 2024 23:47:29 GMT
It's part of it all , players don't just think about money , it a big factor but anyone who knows pros or has friend who are will tell you this , they think about their career , well the good pros do, if a player is 50/50 about jointing do you arrive to a training facility 20 years out of date helps ? No . Is all a package and you have to offer the best to be the best. What about the curious case of Josh Vela. Fleetwood have a lovely "training complex" which everyone always harps on about. In the January transfer window Vela left Fleetwood to sign for us. How can that possibly have happened? Surely he would've been so horrified by our nightmarish training facilities there's no way he would've left the beauty and grandeur of Fleetwood's training ground behind? It makes no sense. Because as I said it's a combination, it's not even a debate , players look at these things as part of reasoning before signing for a club , as I say only an idiot doesn't think it's a factor . Vela was not popular at Fleetwood, he was deemed surplus to requirements by Lee Johnson , we had actually agreed to sign him earlier (stated In Paul Simpsons interview ) but Charlie Adam wanted to take a further look at him , and decided to let him go. So quite easy one there , get released in the summer or get 2.5 year contract with security, makes perfect sense. Piglet you can't be this level of stupid to not relate that this is viral to the future of the club , you seem to want the club to set it's self of a goal of financial ruin for short term success. As for players rejecting us because we of training ground ,just ask people at the club...oh wait you can't you live in Canada and don't actually come to games or look at how bad it is.
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Post by pigletphoenix on May 2, 2024 0:37:25 GMT
Here you are again with your spiteful bitchiness just because someone has an opinion different to your own.
You think the training complex should be a higher priority than the football team. You are entitled to your opinion, that's fine, I fully support and respect your right to disagree.
I reckon you're wrong, you reckon I'm wrong. That's football, vive la différence. Just accept it and chill out.
We have many clear examples of players leaving clubs with "superior" training facilities to sign for us and we have zero examples of players leaving our club or refusing to sign due to our own training set up.
If you're dispassionately looking at the evidence to draw a conclusion where would you arrive? Perhaps with the opinion most players will go where the best contract is offered most of the time. Perhaps not.
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Post by happyblue on May 2, 2024 1:05:16 GMT
Here you are again with your spiteful bitchiness just because someone has an opinion different to your own. You think the training complex should be a higher priority than the football team. You are entitled to your opinion, that's fine, I fully support and respect your right to disagree. I reckon you're wrong, you reckon I'm wrong. That's football, vive la différence. Just accept it and chill out. We have many clear examples of players leaving clubs with "superior" training facilities to sign for us and we have zero examples of players leaving our club or refusing to sign due to our own training set up. If you're dispassionately looking at the evidence to draw a conclusion where would you arrive? Perhaps with the opinion most players will go where the best contract is offered most of the time. Perhaps not. It's not an opinion, just go and ask a football player they will tell you . Also I stated they are not mutually exclusive , not what one was more important than another that we need to focus on both at same time , their is no point signing expensive players to get injured and struggled to train as we didn't have a training ground (not that we didn't train several time this season due to this ) or had to train in the Neil sports centre . Also we don't have the finances to compete in the league above so need to develop players to compete . As £10 Millon is nothing in the top end of league 1 , and it's definitely nothing the championship.
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Post by pigletphoenix on May 2, 2024 1:38:43 GMT
I've already spent many hours talking to professional footballers about training facilities and other subjects, believe it or not. Players who played in the top two divisions in England (not currently, but not that long ago).
People are different of course, but not that different. Footballers will generally (not always, but mostly) sign for the club which offers them the best deal financially. That's the way it has always worked and the way it will always work.
Of course and admittedly there are exceptions. But tellingly, in the case of our club, there's no evidence the "training facility" has ever been a factor.
Not so in the case of the "location" excuse mind (even though you can probably translate "location" to not enough £ in a lot of cases)
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Post by chrisbillysrazor on May 2, 2024 6:46:22 GMT
I bet its a reason why we get so many injuries And AGAIN our 'form' (pfft) was poorer second half of the season once the shit weather had an effect nda they're having to train on some 70s style quagmire. First 23 games up to and inc 1st Jan = 20 pts Last 23 games after 1st Jan = 10 pts This is the real reason why upgrading our training facilities pronto is essential. It isn't to attract players, although I reckon it would help us get better loans in. It is an essential element for game preparation and injury prevention.
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Post by moose on May 2, 2024 7:15:50 GMT
I with Piggy, whilst, the training facilities may be out dated and non league, it isn’t usually the reason. It is typically £££ or a similar offer closer to home. Like the Salford lad that came here to sign, the f***k@d off to Port Vale. It's part of it all , players don't just think about money , it a big factor but anyone who knows pros or has friend who are will tell you this , they think about their career , well the good pros do, if a player is 50/50 about jointing do you arrive to a training facility 20 years out of date helps ? No . Is all a package and you have to offer the best to be the best. Well I feel I'm in a better position to comment more than most seeing as though I've been on the inside of this. I will tell you categorically, the majority of players main motivation is money, they would sign for a bitter rival for an extra tenner a week without a second thought of facilities, ground, supporters or league position. Wages, Length of contract, bonuses. Anything else is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure most would put up with decrepit facilities if the money was right, after all is only 2/3/4 years out of a 15 year career on average. Location will be the main factor for the majority of players we try to attract, along with length of contract. Why do you think Simmo is now offering 3/4 year deals ? You say all players think about their career, well they wouldn't look back at 40 and think they were pleased that CUFC had a new weights room and an indoor dome, they would look at their Bank balance for evidence of how successful their career was.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 7:23:20 GMT
It's part of it all , players don't just think about money , it a big factor but anyone who knows pros or has friend who are will tell you this , they think about their career , well the good pros do, if a player is 50/50 about jointing do you arrive to a training facility 20 years out of date helps ? No . Is all a package and you have to offer the best to be the best. Well I feel I'm in a better position to comment more than most seeing as though I've been on the inside of this. I will tell you categorically, the majority of players main motivation is money, they would sign for a bitter rival for an extra tenner a week without a second thought of facilities, ground, supporters or league position. Wages, Length of contract, bonuses. Anything else is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure most would put up with decrepit facilities if the money was right, after all is only 2/3/4 years out of a 15 year career on average. Location will be the main factor for the majority of players we try to attract, along with length of contract. Why do you think Simmo is now offering 3/4 year deals ? You say all players think about their career, well they wouldn't look back at 40 and think they were pleased that CUFC had a new weights room and an indoor dome, they would look at their Bank balance for evidence of how successful their career was.
Who did you used to play for
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Post by moose on May 2, 2024 7:28:59 GMT
Well I feel I'm in a better position to comment more than most seeing as though I've been on the inside of this. I will tell you categorically, the majority of players main motivation is money, they would sign for a bitter rival for an extra tenner a week without a second thought of facilities, ground, supporters or league position. Wages, Length of contract, bonuses. Anything else is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure most would put up with decrepit facilities if the money was right, after all is only 2/3/4 years out of a 15 year career on average. Location will be the main factor for the majority of players we try to attract, along with length of contract. Why do you think Simmo is now offering 3/4 year deals ? You say all players think about their career, well they wouldn't look back at 40 and think they were pleased that CUFC had a new weights room and an indoor dome, they would look at their Bank balance for evidence of how successful their career was.
Who did you used to play for
Never played, I was employed as Backroom staff for 13 years.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2024 7:37:54 GMT
Who did you used to play for
Never played, I was employed as Backroom staff for 13 years. Oh I see so the players shared deep insite into there motivations whilst you washed there kegs
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Post by moose on May 2, 2024 7:40:34 GMT
Starting to show your colours again Mr Dash, only a matter of time.
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Post by 09sider on May 2, 2024 7:58:41 GMT
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Post by happyblue on May 2, 2024 9:11:13 GMT
It's part of it all , players don't just think about money , it a big factor but anyone who knows pros or has friend who are will tell you this , they think about their career , well the good pros do, if a player is 50/50 about jointing do you arrive to a training facility 20 years out of date helps ? No . Is all a package and you have to offer the best to be the best. Well I feel I'm in a better position to comment more than most seeing as though I've been on the inside of this. I will tell you categorically, the majority of players main motivation is money, they would sign for a bitter rival for an extra tenner a week without a second thought of facilities, ground, supporters or league position. Wages, Length of contract, bonuses. Anything else is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure most would put up with decrepit facilities if the money was right, after all is only 2/3/4 years out of a 15 year career on average. Location will be the main factor for the majority of players we try to attract, along with length of contract. Why do you think Simmo is now offering 3/4 year deals ? You say all players think about their career, well they wouldn't look back at 40 and think they were pleased that CUFC had a new weights room and an indoor dome, they would look at their Bank balance for evidence of how successful their career was. I've said money is the main factor , but it does not harm to have the full package. Players mentality has changed massively, In the last few years it's been something that's been commented a lot , they look at the long term now more than they used to .
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Post by blue22 on May 2, 2024 9:59:23 GMT
I think most agree that we need dragged into this century, training facilities may not be as important to players as money of course, but it is important to the club and hopefully will help reduce the injuries. Playing on a heavy training pitch is going to have an effect on muscles and having only one in this day and age is ridiculous, there is obviously a need for an indoor facility. The owners are trying to massively upgrade everything at BP and beyond and this is no easy task after decades of neglect. Building the team and the facilities together is an absolute must and I am totally behind their plans for what they are trying to achieve, it is bloody amazing they found us in my opinion! We were heading for oblivion under the analogue three.
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Post by Behindthegoal on May 2, 2024 10:56:13 GMT
Great post blue22 totally agree with everything you’ve said
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