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Post by dstander on Dec 21, 2023 18:54:19 GMT
I’ve seen assists mentioned from 80s football, doesn’t mean they existed as an entity then, it means someone’s gone back and compiled stats for for that time simply because they didn’t exist then. Someone’s obviously done the same for 90s hence why players like Anderton’s figures are now available. I can guarantee when Anderton was playing at the top level you wouldn’t have been able to find any such information, it wasn’t talked about, it wasn’t used - unless of course you were playing silly computer games!
I’ve also seen figures compiled where your basic explanation of an assist hasn’t been included. ‘A meaningful goal contribution’ was the terminology given, meaning your simple “last player to touch the ball” notion isn’t necessarily the case. Some people use your explanation, some people use the meaningful contribution notion, meaning figures aren’t even consistent and therefore aren’t even accurate. Total bollocks in other words, making a mockery of people like yourself who hold them with such high importance.
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Post by 09sider on Dec 21, 2023 19:10:44 GMT
Back on topic
Gibson on his day is a good L1 player, but unfortunately he's either a 8 out of 10 as shown v Bolton when he gives 100% or 4 out of 10 when he appears like he can't be arsed, looses the ball and just stops, or doesn't track back. Thankfully this season he's put in more good than poor performances, but if he's stalling with the contract like Moxon and pushing for a big wage increase, I'd let him go once we've got someone in. Good on his day but there's definitely better out there, especially if he's messing the club about.
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Post by moonie on Dec 21, 2023 19:18:36 GMT
In fairness to Gibbo, we don't know for sure that there's a firm offer on the table for him to consider. I hope there is, and I hope he signs it. He's shown more consistency this season, and has undoubtedly been our most creative player.
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Post by luaphal on Dec 21, 2023 19:42:23 GMT
Given the bright future facing the club I don't get why any of the players should be stalling on signing new contracts unless Kav represents them all.
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Post by munchymagic on Dec 21, 2023 19:42:55 GMT
I’ve seen assists mentioned from 80s football, doesn’t mean they existed as an entity then, it means someone’s gone back and compiled stats for for that time simply because they didn’t exist then. Someone’s obviously done the same for 90s hence why players like Anderton’s figures are now available. I can guarantee when Anderton was playing at the top level you wouldn’t have been able to find any such information, it wasn’t talked about, it wasn’t used - unless of course you were playing silly computer games! I’ve also seen figures compiled where your basic explanation of an assist hasn’t been included. ‘A meaningful goal contribution’ was the terminology given, meaning your simple “last player to touch the ball” notion isn’t necessarily the case. Some people use your explanation, some people use the meaningful contribution notion, meaning figures aren’t even consistent and therefore aren’t even accurate. Total bollocks in other words, making a mockery of people like yourself who hold them with such high importance. It was always mentioned as the goal was 'set up by' back in the day on Match Of The Day. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 19:43:56 GMT
I’ve seen assists mentioned from 80s football, doesn’t mean they existed as an entity then, it means someone’s gone back and compiled stats for for that time simply because they didn’t exist then. Someone’s obviously done the same for 90s hence why players like Anderton’s figures are now available. I can guarantee when Anderton was playing at the top level you wouldn’t have been able to find any such information, it wasn’t talked about, it wasn’t used - unless of course you were playing silly computer games! I’ve also seen figures compiled where your basic explanation of an assist hasn’t been included. ‘A meaningful goal contribution’ was the terminology given, meaning your simple “last player to touch the ball” notion isn’t necessarily the case. Some people use your explanation, some people use the meaningful contribution notion, meaning figures aren’t even consistent and therefore aren’t even accurate. Total bollocks in other words, making a mockery of people like yourself who hold them with such high importance. They were first recorded in 1994, you know it's really that simple, how do you not understand this? You can waffle on all you want but that is the date they were first recorded. As for your second waffling part, I gave you the site to read as I couldn't be arsed to type it all out, I also asked if you wanted the childish version ie simplified but yet here you are waffling on again. I'll take the 'people like me being made a mockery of' as I will at least be in a very large knowledable group of football people and not some retard from the past that can't get a grip on 'modern day' parlance (if you want to call something from 30 years ago modern day) Enough of the silliness, you're making me disrupt the thread and making me look a hypocrite. |
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Post by happyblue on Dec 21, 2023 21:37:16 GMT
Why would anyone with any common sense think an assist is a pointless stats, like who doesn't think the creators of goals deserve praise as well .
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Post by uptheduke on Dec 21, 2023 21:56:08 GMT
So a defender heads a corner to the edge of his own penalty area then someone picks up the ball and runs 80 yards before slotting the ball into the net. Does that really qualify as an assist for the defender? Sam Lavelle got an ‘assist’ in just those circumstances for Gibbo’s third at Bolton. Common sense eh?
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Dec 21, 2023 22:02:24 GMT
Alf & Munchy - I`m going to bump the Football Manager thread, and add some comments there.
REALLY hope Gibson is signed up for longer, with better players around him, and more space to work with, he`s
someone who could take a HUGE leap with us, and with his pace, teams will pay a fortune for him.
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Post by bstandbob on Dec 21, 2023 22:29:57 GMT
For me assists are an important stat in today's football.
It's no coincidence that when Liverpool were providing an unprecedented number of assists from the full back position they became almost unplayable for a period of time.
I would be very surprised if this was just something that was stumbled across. I would say that a tremendous amount of work was put into analysis to come up with a system and tactics to allow fullbacks into those advanced areas, also making sure you had the correct players to deliver quality when they got there.
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Post by triskelionblue on Dec 22, 2023 0:12:36 GMT
I think assist was something the Yanks always had in their sports and then like most things was adopted over here
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Post by triskelionblue on Dec 22, 2023 0:15:41 GMT
In fairness to Gibbo, we don't know for sure that there's a firm offer on the table for him to consider. I hope there is, and I hope he signs it. He's shown more consistency this season, and has undoubtedly been our most creative player. Interesting last season where Moxon was high up on the assist stats Gibson despite him not playing or at least starting as much last season was fairly high up top 20 in League 2 at least maybe higher |
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Post by happyblue on Dec 22, 2023 9:22:38 GMT
So a defender heads a corner to the edge of his own penalty area then someone picks up the ball and runs 80 yards before slotting the ball into the net. Does that really qualify as an assist for the defender? Sam Lavelle got an ‘assist’ in just those circumstances for Gibbo’s third at Bolton. Common sense eh? Ok , ball hits back of stiker and goes in the goal , did he really earn that goal? This could.be argued as well The text that you are looking at individual circumstances and not look as a whole shows as a lack of common sense . Please think of a valid argument and come back . |
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Post by uptheduke on Dec 22, 2023 15:41:21 GMT
Sorry I obviously lack common sense and an understanding of your english. You win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 16:37:09 GMT
So a defender heads a corner to the edge of his own penalty area then someone picks up the ball and runs 80 yards before slotting the ball into the net. Does that really qualify as an assist for the defender? Sam Lavelle got an ‘assist’ in just those circumstances for Gibbo’s third at Bolton. Common sense eh? It isn't common sense is it, if Lavelle never headed the ball the ball wouldn't have landed at Gibson's feet and a goal would not have occured, granted it is a poor assist but an assist it is. Why is it so hard for people to understand and crucially why the **** are they that bnothered by a stat that has been about for 30 years. We have been taken over and it is exciting times but some of us will argue that assists are not important lol **** me  ps as for happyblues example, he means a goalscorer is acredited with a goal even if somebody else sot and it hits him on the back and goes in, he didn't shoot but scored, that is why he said did he deserve to be called the scorer. |
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