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Post by blueal on Apr 17, 2024 13:38:03 GMT
Honestly, have you not learnt by now? If he’s a wind up merchant, attention seeker or a troll why are you even responding? You’ve just liked a post saying it’s concocted to get a reaction, yet here you are reacting! I know he's a wind up looking for reactions yes, but the point I'm making is that his wind ups are so absurd now they need removed or get a warning at least. You mean like censorship? Pig says silly things! boo hoo! Are you all children? Can you not handle it?
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 13:58:58 GMT
There's definitely cult like behaviour on this forum and elsewhere online. That's a fact, not imagination. No it's not a fact it's just your usual winding up only this one is probably your worst. Sure, you can disagree and criticise our new owners all you like, but for you to spread and make up lies about there being a 'cult' is just completely absurd and it's nothing but boring and irritable. How your allowed to keep posting this nonsense is unbelievable. "The unquestioning faith and the attempted isolation and abuse of those who do not subscribe to it (zero tolerance to criticism or question) are unquestionably characteristics of a cult."
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 14:01:49 GMT
If only it was about one single defeat. We were doing fine as a club before the Piataks showed up. We'd won promotion, we have the Branthwaite sale likely to have cleared the debt also. It's not as if we were at death's door. Likelihood is we'd have sacked Simpson under the Three Amigos and actually given ourselves a fighting chance of staying in the division.Under the Piataks we've created a losing culture, where failure and decline are celebrated, where there is zero accountability. It continues to be an utter disaster. Is that in the same way they sacked Kavanagh when we were staring League 2 in the face last time we were in this position....... oh no they waited till the 1st September the year after so the form suggests they would also have stuck with Simpson No. It's the same way they sacked Abbott and gambled Kavanagh would keep us in the division. True enough it didn't work, but we made a much better fist of it than this season.
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Post by dancufc on Apr 17, 2024 14:17:11 GMT
Is that in the same way they sacked Kavanagh when we were staring League 2 in the face last time we were in this position....... oh no they waited till the 1st September the year after so the form suggests they would also have stuck with Simpson No. It's the same way they sacked Abbott and gambled Kavanagh would keep us in the division. True enough it didn't work, but we made a much better fist of it than this season. We’d also spent the previous 7 seasons in league one so had a squad more acquainted to the league than the one this season so should in reality perform better, not that any of it should be an excuse with regards to Simmo’s performance as manager this season but my opinion would be there was still a good general opinion of Simmo at the time the family took ownership of the club and with them being new to the English game didn’t want to sack him as they probably wouldn’t have the necessary experience to determine the right manager for the situation we’re in. You look at the the Eisner’s at Pompey they went generally with experienced managers when they come in and split the fan base with how things were on the pitch until Mousinho come in and united everyone with a clear philosophy and stuck to it. Simmo deserves credit for his first 18 months in charge but start badly next season I don’t think Tom will hesitate to make changes, he’s already put it nicely in the media he’s not happy with how we’ve recruited so far.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 14:20:45 GMT
No. It's the same way they sacked Abbott and gambled Kavanagh would keep us in the division. True enough it didn't work, but we made a much better fist of it than this season. We’d also spent the previous 7 seasons in league one so had a squad more acquainted to the league than the one this season so should in reality perform better, not that any of it should be an excuse with regards to Simmo’s performance as manager this season but my opinion would be there was still a good general opinion of Simmo at the time the family took ownership of the club and with them being new to the English game didn’t want to sack him as they probably wouldn’t have the necessary experience to determine the right manager for the situation we’re in. You look at the the Eisner’s at Pompey they went generally with experienced managers when they come in and split the fan base with how things were on the pitch until Mousinho come in and united everyone with a clear philosophy and stuck to it. Simmo deserves credit for his first 18 months in charge but start badly next season I don’t think Tom will hesitate to make changes, he’s already put it nicely in the media he’s not happy with how we’ve recruited so far. Disagree with the point about the squad. Abbott was sacked because he'd ruined the squad and our team was in tatters. The start of this season we were (or should've been) on the crest of a wave after promotion and Simpson being told to spend what he needed to stay up. Which situation is better to inherit?
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Post by happyblue on Apr 17, 2024 15:08:37 GMT
We’d also spent the previous 7 seasons in league one so had a squad more acquainted to the league than the one this season so should in reality perform better, not that any of it should be an excuse with regards to Simmo’s performance as manager this season but my opinion would be there was still a good general opinion of Simmo at the time the family took ownership of the club and with them being new to the English game didn’t want to sack him as they probably wouldn’t have the necessary experience to determine the right manager for the situation we’re in. You look at the the Eisner’s at Pompey they went generally with experienced managers when they come in and split the fan base with how things were on the pitch until Mousinho come in and united everyone with a clear philosophy and stuck to it. Simmo deserves credit for his first 18 months in charge but start badly next season I don’t think Tom will hesitate to make changes, he’s already put it nicely in the media he’s not happy with how we’ve recruited so far. Disagree with the point about the squad. Abbott was sacked because he'd ruined the squad and our team was in tatters. The start of this season we were (or should've been) on the crest of a wave after promotion and Simpson being told to spend what he needed to stay up. Which situation is better to inherit? Abbott got sacked as we were competing in league 1 for nearly 7 years and the budget was being cut each year, the squad he inherited had already been utterly dismantled and John ward had signed players like Josh Gowling on ridiculous wages. We were in tatters because we were working on a bottom half league 2 budget by our last 2 seasons in league 1 .
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Post by dancufc on Apr 17, 2024 15:10:34 GMT
We’d also spent the previous 7 seasons in league one so had a squad more acquainted to the league than the one this season so should in reality perform better, not that any of it should be an excuse with regards to Simmo’s performance as manager this season but my opinion would be there was still a good general opinion of Simmo at the time the family took ownership of the club and with them being new to the English game didn’t want to sack him as they probably wouldn’t have the necessary experience to determine the right manager for the situation we’re in. You look at the the Eisner’s at Pompey they went generally with experienced managers when they come in and split the fan base with how things were on the pitch until Mousinho come in and united everyone with a clear philosophy and stuck to it. Simmo deserves credit for his first 18 months in charge but start badly next season I don’t think Tom will hesitate to make changes, he’s already put it nicely in the media he’s not happy with how we’ve recruited so far. Disagree with the point about the squad. Abbott was sacked because he'd ruined the squad and our team was in tatters. The start of this season we were (or should've been) on the crest of a wave after promotion and Simpson being told to spend what he needed to stay up. Which situation is better to inherit? The squad wasn’t near the standard of previous seasons I agree but there was still a nucleus of players that had performed well in league one previously, couldn’t say that to the squad we had this season although the recruitment has been a complete shambles, but getting into what’s wrong this season would need about 10 chapters. There’s coming in on the crest of the wave and there’s also the general consensus our budget at the start of the season wasn’t up to scratch to compete in the league, going in hand with our lack of facilities/infrastructure it was an uphill battle, Simmo is nowhere near devoid of blame but the family could believe there’s mitigating factors and that’s why he’s not been sacked.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 15:20:49 GMT
Disagree with the point about the squad. Abbott was sacked because he'd ruined the squad and our team was in tatters. The start of this season we were (or should've been) on the crest of a wave after promotion and Simpson being told to spend what he needed to stay up. Which situation is better to inherit? Abbott got sacked as we were competing in league 1 for nearly 7 years and the budget was being cut each year, the squad he inherited had already been utterly dismantled and John ward had signed players like Josh Gowling on ridiculous wages. We were in tatters because we were working on a bottom half league 2 budget by our last 2 seasons in league 1 . Abbott got sacked because John Ward signed Josh Gowling. Right. Gowling left the club four years before Abbott was sacked. I've seen some bizarre opinions on these forums over the years and this is certainly up there. However, I respect your right to hold this opinion if this what you honestly believe.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 15:22:30 GMT
Disagree with the point about the squad. Abbott was sacked because he'd ruined the squad and our team was in tatters. The start of this season we were (or should've been) on the crest of a wave after promotion and Simpson being told to spend what he needed to stay up. Which situation is better to inherit? The squad wasn’t near the standard of previous seasons I agree but there was still a nucleus of players that had performed well in league one previously, couldn’t say that to the squad we had this season although the recruitment has been a complete shambles, but getting into what’s wrong this season would need about 10 chapters. There’s coming in on the crest of the wave and there’s also the general consensus our budget at the start of the season wasn’t up to scratch to compete in the league, going in hand with our lack of facilities/infrastructure it was an uphill battle, Simmo is nowhere near devoid of blame but the family could believe there’s mitigating factors and that’s why he’s not been sacked. Dan, according to Simpson he was told to spend what he needed to stay in the division this season. We can't use the budget excuse.
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Post by dancufc on Apr 17, 2024 15:26:47 GMT
The squad wasn’t near the standard of previous seasons I agree but there was still a nucleus of players that had performed well in league one previously, couldn’t say that to the squad we had this season although the recruitment has been a complete shambles, but getting into what’s wrong this season would need about 10 chapters. There’s coming in on the crest of the wave and there’s also the general consensus our budget at the start of the season wasn’t up to scratch to compete in the league, going in hand with our lack of facilities/infrastructure it was an uphill battle, Simmo is nowhere near devoid of blame but the family could believe there’s mitigating factors and that’s why he’s not been sacked. Dan, according to Simpson he was told to spend what he needed to stay in the division this season. We can't use the budget excuse. There’s being told what to spend and actually being able to spend it, the budget isn’t an excuse and like I’ve said the way they’ve used the budget whatever it is has been terrible. My point was the main gripe with the family that I’ve seen on this forum and on social media is that they’ve not sacked Simmo, I was trying just to give an opinion on why that maybe hasn’t been the case.
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Post by happyblue on Apr 17, 2024 15:32:51 GMT
Abbott got sacked as we were competing in league 1 for nearly 7 years and the budget was being cut each year, the squad he inherited had already been utterly dismantled and John ward had signed players like Josh Gowling on ridiculous wages. We were in tatters because we were working on a bottom half league 2 budget by our last 2 seasons in league 1 . Abbott got sacked because John Ward signed Josh Gowling. Right. Gowling left the club four years before Abbott was sacked. I've seen some bizarre opinions on these forums over the years and this is certainly up there. However, I respect your right to hold this opinion if this what you honestly believe. Oh do shut up pig, you talk utter crap day in day out . I said he got sacked as his budget slowly got cut each year untill we could not compete. I just know you would talk about being given our biggest ever budget, but forgot to mention that we had to pay off or loan out a lot of them while paying their big wages.
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Post by rocket on Apr 17, 2024 15:41:21 GMT
Is that in the same way they sacked Kavanagh when we were staring League 2 in the face last time we were in this position....... oh no they waited till the 1st September the year after so the form suggests they would also have stuck with Simpson No. It's the same way they sacked Abbott and gambled Kavanagh would keep us in the division. True enough it didn't work, but we made a much better fist of it than this season. He took over with us in 22nd and we finished in 22nd, you stated that they would have sacked Simmo to give us a fighting chance to stay in League 1, by that logic even though he only took over in the September from Abbott he still should have been sacked when it was clear it wasn't working, we dropped like a stone after February that season from 14th on the 20th Feb to 22nd at the end of the season. The old owners would have stuck by Simmo just like they did Kav
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Post by frankclarkestash on Apr 17, 2024 15:48:04 GMT
No. It's the same way they sacked Abbott and gambled Kavanagh would keep us in the division. True enough it didn't work, but we made a much better fist of it than this season. He took over with us in 22nd and we finished in 22nd, you stated that they would have sacked Simmo to give us a fighting chance to stay in League 1, by that logic even though he only took over in the September from Abbott he still should have been sacked when it was clear it wasn't working, we dropped like a stone after February that season from 14th on the 20th Feb to 22nd at the end of the season. The old owners would have stuck by Simmo just like they did Kav Don’t forget Rocket , you can’t reason with a fool !
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 16:31:38 GMT
Dan, according to Simpson he was told to spend what he needed to stay in the division this season. We can't use the budget excuse. There’s being told what to spend and actually being able to spend it, the budget isn’t an excuse and like I’ve said the way they’ve used the budget whatever it is has been terrible. My point was the main gripe with the family that I’ve seen on this forum and on social media is that they’ve not sacked Simmo, I was trying just to give an opinion on why that maybe hasn’t been the case. I just don't believe there was a "plan B" in place, there's been an unwillingness to admit mistakes have been made and a complete lack of accountability. I don't reckon last summer's transfer activity has been taken account of as fully as it should've been.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 16:37:17 GMT
No. It's the same way they sacked Abbott and gambled Kavanagh would keep us in the division. True enough it didn't work, but we made a much better fist of it than this season. He took over with us in 22nd and we finished in 22nd, you stated that they would have sacked Simmo to give us a fighting chance to stay in League 1, by that logic even though he only took over in the September from Abbott he still should have been sacked when it was clear it wasn't working, we dropped like a stone after February that season from 14th on the 20th Feb to 22nd at the end of the season. The old owners would have stuck by Simmo just like they did Kav At what point in the 13/14 season did it become clear it wasn't working with Kavanagh? Please say when we should've sacked him. We still had a fair chance of staying up with three games remaining, outside chance with two. We weren't relegated until the final day. We weren't out of sight clear at the bottom of the division and relegated in March. Fair enough, keeping Kavanagh after we were relegated was a huge mistake, but so is keeping Simpson.
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