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Post by markovitch1928 on Apr 17, 2024 16:38:05 GMT
So supporting the actions of the owners puts you in a cult. But not being able to find one positive thing about the club, flooding thread after thread, topic after topic with endless whining , killing every conversation with negativety, criticism and predictions of failure or bankruptcy is what? The only difference is that you are in a cult of one.
If you are going to do the manic depressive, paranoid thing, keep the hair cut though. Let's go all the way
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 16:41:38 GMT
So supporting the actions of the owners puts you in a cult. But not being able to find one positive thing about the club, flooding thread after thread, topic after topic with endless whining , killing every conversation with negativety, criticism and predictions of failure or bankruptcy is what? The only difference is that you are in a cult of one. If you are going to do the manic depressive, paranoid thing, keep the hair cut though. Let's go all the way No. Supporting the actions of the owners or having any opinion does not "put you in a cult". I've never said that, you've just made it up. Where have I predicted bankruptcy? You've just made that up also. Please take note: "It's clear there is cult like behaviour going on here. The Piataks have been venerated and have total devotion from their followers. There is excessive and unflinching worship from cult members who class anyone who does not have unwavering devotion as deviant. The unquestioning faith and the attempted isolation and abuse of those who do not subscribe to it (zero tolerance to criticism or question) are unquestionably characteristics of a cult. It is not "a personal attack" to point these things out, it is simply stating the facts."
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Post by dancufc on Apr 17, 2024 17:00:09 GMT
There’s being told what to spend and actually being able to spend it, the budget isn’t an excuse and like I’ve said the way they’ve used the budget whatever it is has been terrible. My point was the main gripe with the family that I’ve seen on this forum and on social media is that they’ve not sacked Simmo, I was trying just to give an opinion on why that maybe hasn’t been the case. I just don't believe there was a "plan B" in place, there's been an unwillingness to admit mistakes have been made and a complete lack of accountability. I don't reckon last summer's transfer activity has been taken account of as fully as it should've been. I can agree with that with regards that I don’t even think there was much of a Plan A other than see what we can that other teams don’t want and we can afford, I think the wave of promotion probably papered over a few cracks in the opening games where we looked half competent and when the players confidence started to diminish so did results/performances. Hopefully we have a proper plan in place this summer and we can start to progress.
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Post by rocket on Apr 17, 2024 17:05:45 GMT
He took over with us in 22nd and we finished in 22nd, you stated that they would have sacked Simmo to give us a fighting chance to stay in League 1, by that logic even though he only took over in the September from Abbott he still should have been sacked when it was clear it wasn't working, we dropped like a stone after February that season from 14th on the 20th Feb to 22nd at the end of the season. The old owners would have stuck by Simmo just like they did Kav At what point in the 13/14 season did it become clear it wasn't working with Kavanagh? Please say when we should've sacked him. We still had a fair chance of staying up with three games remaining, outside chance with two. We weren't relegated until the final day. We weren't out of sight clear at the bottom of the division and relegated in March. Fair enough, keeping Kavanagh after we were relegated was a huge mistake, but so is keeping Simpson. We didn't need to be out of sight at the bottom we barely picked up any points in three months, At some point during that run in it must have been clear we were in trouble. Going by that logic we have been dead and buried since January in reality so going by the same logic again the previous ownership would have stuck with Simpson. I think the only point we can agree on is Keeping Simpson, like keeping Kav that season could turn out to be a big mistake, but appointing Kav as the cheap option during that season was a mistake of itself
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Post by rocket on Apr 17, 2024 17:08:48 GMT
The squad wasn’t near the standard of previous seasons I agree but there was still a nucleus of players that had performed well in league one previously, couldn’t say that to the squad we had this season although the recruitment has been a complete shambles, but getting into what’s wrong this season would need about 10 chapters. There’s coming in on the crest of the wave and there’s also the general consensus our budget at the start of the season wasn’t up to scratch to compete in the league, going in hand with our lack of facilities/infrastructure it was an uphill battle, Simmo is nowhere near devoid of blame but the family could believe there’s mitigating factors and that’s why he’s not been sacked. Dan, according to Simpson he was told to spend what he needed to stay in the division this season. We can't use the budget excuse. That's the old owners all over though isn't it, I assume their plan had the takeover fallen through and they suddenly needed that money they were just going to go to Day and say please sir can we have some more. In the summer the takeover wasn't a certainty so you can kind of excuse him not just spending the lot, January however is another story and we should have been prepared for the 1st Jan with more than just Armstrong, before we were cut adrift like we were by the end of the month
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 17:12:32 GMT
At what point in the 13/14 season did it become clear it wasn't working with Kavanagh? Please say when we should've sacked him. We still had a fair chance of staying up with three games remaining, outside chance with two. We weren't relegated until the final day. We weren't out of sight clear at the bottom of the division and relegated in March. Fair enough, keeping Kavanagh after we were relegated was a huge mistake, but so is keeping Simpson. We didn't need to be out of sight at the bottom we barely picked up any points in three months, At some point during that run in it must have been clear we were in trouble. Going by that logic we have been dead and buried since January in reality so going by the same logic again the previous ownership would have stuck with Simpson. I think the only point we can agree on is Keeping Simpson, like keeping Kav that season could turn out to be a big mistake, but appointing Kav as the cheap option during that season was a mistake of itself So at which point would you have sacked Kavanagh in 13/14? You can't really quote "logic" if you can't answer that question. Why must it have been "clear"? If it was clear, easy question for you to answer. The previous regime acted to sack plenty of failing managers in their time, they never let one fail as hard as Simpson has failed.
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Post by rocket on Apr 17, 2024 17:17:40 GMT
We didn't need to be out of sight at the bottom we barely picked up any points in three months, At some point during that run in it must have been clear we were in trouble. Going by that logic we have been dead and buried since January in reality so going by the same logic again the previous ownership would have stuck with Simpson. I think the only point we can agree on is Keeping Simpson, like keeping Kav that season could turn out to be a big mistake, but appointing Kav as the cheap option during that season was a mistake of itself So at which point would you have sacked Kavanagh in 13/14? You can't really quote "logic" if you can't answer that question. Why must it have been "clear"? If it was clear, easy question for you to answer. The previous regime acted to sack plenty of failing managers in their time, they never let one fail as hard as Simpson has failed. they may have sacked plenty of failing managers but they failed with Kav, he should have gone in Mid March when in a month we'd gone from 14th to 20th when we'd only picked up 2 points in 5 games You didn't ask for which exact date, anytime between Mid feb and the end of March would have still given another manager 10 (Mid March) or 8 (End of March) games to turn it around
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 17:24:39 GMT
We only had seven remaining games from the end of March 2014.
5th April we beat Swindon 1-0 and moved up out of the relegation places. (Six games left)
You would've sacked Kavanagh at this point?
I don't remember you calling for his head.
PS - we started March in 17th, two points above the relegation places, not 14th.
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Post by rocket on Apr 17, 2024 17:26:08 GMT
We only had seven remaining games from the end of March 2014. 5th April we beat Swindon 1-0 and moved up out of the relegation places. (Six games left) You would've sacked Kavanagh at this point? I don't remember you calling for his head. Before that game in 7 games we'd taken 3 points so yes prior to that game I certainly would have sacked him. I wasn't on any forum's at that point so you wouldn't know if i had been calling for his head or not
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2024 17:28:38 GMT
So supporting the actions of the owners puts you in a cult. But not being able to find one positive thing about the club, flooding thread after thread, topic after topic with endless whining , killing every conversation with negativety, criticism and predictions of failure or bankruptcy is what? The only difference is that you are in a cult of one. If you are going to do the manic depressive, paranoid thing, keep the hair cut though. Let's go all the way No. Supporting the actions of the owners or having any opinion does not "put you in a cult". I've never said that, you've just made it up. Where have I predicted bankruptcy? You've just made that up also. Please take note: "It's clear there is cult like behaviour going on here. The Piataks have been venerated and have total devotion from their followers. There is excessive and unflinching worship from cult members who class anyone who does not have unwavering devotion as deviant. The unquestioning faith and the attempted isolation and abuse of those who do not subscribe to it (zero tolerance to criticism or question) are unquestionably characteristics of a cult. It is not "a personal attack" to point these things out, it is simply stating the facts." OK you've made your point about it enough times now to make everyone think you're deranged. You don't have to keep going on about it anymore.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 17:31:54 GMT
We only had seven remaining games from the end of March 2014. 5th April we beat Swindon 1-0 and moved up out of the relegation places. (Six games left) You would've sacked Kavanagh at this point? I don't remember you calling for his head. Before that game in 7 games we'd taken 3 points so yes prior to that game I certainly would have sacked him. I wasn't on any forum's at that point so you wouldn't know if i had been calling for his head or not Four points from seven games, all 0-0 draws if I remember correctly. And we were still in a similar situation in the league. That's not a clear and obvious case for sacking a manager. Not as clear as this season, at least.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 17:34:16 GMT
No. Supporting the actions of the owners or having any opinion does not "put you in a cult". I've never said that, you've just made it up. Where have I predicted bankruptcy? You've just made that up also. Please take note: "It's clear there is cult like behaviour going on here. The Piataks have been venerated and have total devotion from their followers. There is excessive and unflinching worship from cult members who class anyone who does not have unwavering devotion as deviant. The unquestioning faith and the attempted isolation and abuse of those who do not subscribe to it (zero tolerance to criticism or question) are unquestionably characteristics of a cult. It is not "a personal attack" to point these things out, it is simply stating the facts." OK you've made your point about it enough times now to make everyone think you're deranged. You don't have to keep going on about it anymore. If you keep behaving like a cult member, I'll keep making the point.
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Post by rocket on Apr 17, 2024 17:37:55 GMT
Before that game in 7 games we'd taken 3 points so yes prior to that game I certainly would have sacked him. I wasn't on any forum's at that point so you wouldn't know if i had been calling for his head or not Four points from seven games, all 0-0 draws if I remember correctly. And we were still in a similar situation in the league. That's not a clear and obvious case for sacking a manager. Not as clear as this season, at least. See now I know your just arguing for the sake of it. How is going from 14th to 20th still being in a similar situation? The team in 14th when we were 20th on the 15th march had 45 points, the same total we finished the season with so had we performed better during that month we would have only needed 5 points from 10 games to stay up so we certainly weren't in a similar situation. In 15 games we picked up 9 points from the 18th February, no matter how you view it that's a manager that should be sacked during that run
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 17, 2024 17:42:38 GMT
Four points from seven games, all 0-0 draws if I remember correctly. And we were still in a similar situation in the league. That's not a clear and obvious case for sacking a manager. Not as clear as this season, at least. See now I know your just arguing for the sake of it. How is going from 14th to 20th still being in a similar situation? The team in 14th when we were 20th on the 15th march had 45 points, the same total we finished the season with so had we performed better during that month we would have only needed 5 points from 10 games to stay up so we certainly weren't in a similar situation. In 15 games we picked up 9 points from the 18th February, no matter how you view it that's a manager that should be sacked during that run At the start of March we were 17th, two points above the relegation zone. By the end of March we were 21st but only in the relegation zone on goals scored (same goal difference as Tranmere). So start of the month - two points clear of relegation. End of the month, in the relegation zone on goal difference. That's slightly worse, not hugely different.
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Post by moonie on Apr 17, 2024 17:43:38 GMT
We didn't need to be out of sight at the bottom we barely picked up any points in three months, At some point during that run in it must have been clear we were in trouble. Going by that logic we have been dead and buried since January in reality so going by the same logic again the previous ownership would have stuck with Simpson. I think the only point we can agree on is Keeping Simpson, like keeping Kav that season could turn out to be a big mistake, but appointing Kav as the cheap option during that season was a mistake of itself So at which point would you have sacked Kavanagh in 13/14? You can't really quote "logic" if you can't answer that question. Why must it have been "clear"? If it was clear, easy question for you to answer. The previous regime acted to sack plenty of failing managers in their time, they never let one fail as hard as Simpson has failed.My views on the current situation are well known, but could you point me to the times Kavanagh saved us from relegation and then led us to promotion? Paul Simpson has been far more successful as manager of Carlisle United than Kavanagh (or any other manager in my lifetime).
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