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Post by northernsoul on Apr 23, 2024 21:28:45 GMT
Harris wasnt headhunted He was a pawn in a scam that earned 3 people a split of 50 grand. Simpson tried to stop it but after fighting it for a month he gave in From what i.m told he came very close to making it public but chose to not to as he had more important things on his plate at the time. NS Marko just has a bruised ego, like just think when we agree on something you know there is an issue Actually HB i enjoy reading your posts and agree with a lot of it [ not the flood stuff obviously ]
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Apr 23, 2024 21:29:19 GMT
Because when you are head hunted you get a payrise. If you don't, why go? Why is this so hard? Hardly because of the never ending night life on Botchergate, the art galleries and ballet or our rich history of turning rough diamonds into million pound gems is it?!! I assume you've been offered a job before Harris wasnt headhunted He was a pawn in a scam that earned 3 people a split of 50 grand. Simpson tried to stop it but after fighting it for a month he gave in From what i.m told he came very close to making it public but chose to not to as he had more important things on his plate at the time. Would love to hear more about this, if you`re able to tell. Sounds like the South American way of selling players. Are any of the people who split that £50K, involved with Carlisle Utd ? If Simpson knew, and tried to stop it, then I think I`ve been more unfair on him, in recent months, than I have on the often, shambolic way, that football transfers are done in this country. And for just a moment, I`m asking myself if maybe he WILL get it right over the summer, when crap like this doesn`t happen.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 23, 2024 21:38:30 GMT
Manager Mary Poppins said: “I’m really pleased that we’ve been able to get Jayden signed.
“He’s a big, physical, mobile box-to-box style midfielder who has a lot of growth potential.
“I think he’s a very good addition to our squad and hopefully, with bringing him here, he will add value to the club.”
Doesn't sound like he was forced to me.
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Post by northernsoul on Apr 23, 2024 21:51:11 GMT
Harris wasnt headhunted He was a pawn in a scam that earned 3 people a split of 50 grand. Simpson tried to stop it but after fighting it for a month he gave in From what i.m told he came very close to making it public but chose to not to as he had more important things on his plate at the time. Would love to hear more about this, if you`re able to tell. Sounds like the South American way of selling players. Are any of the people who split that £50K, involved with Carlisle Utd ? If Simpson knew, and tried to stop it, then I think I`ve been more unfair on him, in recent months, than I have on the often, shambolic way, that football transfers are done in this country. And for just a moment, I`m asking myself if maybe he WILL get it right over the summer, when crap like this doesn`t happen. No Only one of them ever was The other two were a non league manager and a football agent But its a shambles that will have cost the club the best part of quarter of a million pounds one his deal expires or we a bit less if we manage to get rid a little sooner
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Post by markovitch1928 on Apr 24, 2024 2:58:34 GMT
So, no names, no pack drill. How did it work in principle? Intrigued to see how the scheme worked. You can tell us that if you don't name anyone. How does a £50k transfer cost £250k? According to happy, who knows exactly how much all the players earn, Harris uprooted his entire life for 400 green shield stamps, why did he go along with it?
Glad to see we've all agreed we paid £50k. At least one of us knew one thing. Don't stop now.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you to get your teeth into. Why have they revalued the ground. There is no debt, so why bother? The amount of the revaluation is exactly 5x the Day debt they took. Why is that ratio important to someone?
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Post by blumineauxnoir on Apr 25, 2024 2:58:27 GMT
Would love to hear more about this, if you`re able to tell. Sounds like the South American way of selling players. Are any of the people who split that £50K, involved with Carlisle Utd ? If Simpson knew, and tried to stop it, then I think I`ve been more unfair on him, in recent months, than I have on the often, shambolic way, that football transfers are done in this country. And for just a moment, I`m asking myself if maybe he WILL get it right over the summer, when crap like this doesn`t happen. No Only one of them ever was The other two were a non league manager and a football agent But its a shambles that will have cost the club the best part of quarter of a million pounds one his deal expires or we a bit less if we manage to get rid a little sooner Wasn`t Holdsworth still around when we signed him ? That name just popped into my head when reading this.
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Post by markovitch1928 on Apr 25, 2024 3:37:50 GMT
Holdsworth left at the new year as I remember, Harris arrived later.
I was disappointed to see we got no further information on the Harris back story. Bids so far on his earnings are The mere mention of the word development meant his agent was willing to take a 50% cut in wages.
The ridiculous notion we paid him the going rate for a 4th division midfielder being signed for a fee.
He was the victim of a human trafficking scam that cost 250k, that Paul Simpson was too busy to mention.
Any more, I know stories why jayden wouldn't be paid the going rate? Just a shame jayden isn't as interesting on the field. Hopefully a field that will forever be in the Vauxhall conference with the owners paying us some % of his wage cost.
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Post by carwash on Apr 25, 2024 8:12:55 GMT
So, no names, no pack drill. How did it work in principle? Intrigued to see how the scheme worked. You can tell us that if you don't name anyone. How does a £50k transfer cost £250k? According to happy, who knows exactly how much all the players earn, Harris uprooted his entire life for 400 green shield stamps, why did he go along with it? Glad to see we've all agreed we paid £50k. At least one of us knew one thing. Don't stop now. Here's a conspiracy theory for you to get your teeth into. Why have they revalued the ground. There is no debt, so why bother? The amount of the revaluation is exactly 5x the Day debt they took. Why is that ratio important to someone? The revaluation was probably done to make the consolidated Castle Sports Group accounts look more viable especially if the Piataks are now looking to borrow to finance the Sheepmount development. No conspiracy.
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Post by happyblue on Apr 25, 2024 8:51:43 GMT
Holdsworth left at the new year as I remember, Harris arrived later. I was disappointed to see we got no further information on the Harris back story. Bids so far on his earnings are The mere mention of the word development meant his agent was willing to take a 50% cut in wages. The ridiculous notion we paid him the going rate for a 4th division midfielder being signed for a fee. He was the victim of a human trafficking scam that cost 250k, that Paul Simpson was too busy to mention. Any more, I know stories why jayden wouldn't be paid the going rate? Just a shame jayden isn't as interesting on the field. Hopefully a field that will forever be in the Vauxhall conference with the owners paying us some % of his wage cost. Why do you keep going on about the going rate average =(Σx̄)/N , the median Salary would most likely be the best idea of going rate , although as we were paying less than average you need to drop our level again . Harris was talked about as a prospect when signing , he was inexperienced, wasn't even seen as one of the better players . You can tell that you have little knowledge of the footballing world due to how you actually came to your logic. Deals to sign young players are normally based on wages growing in line with appearances. Really don't understand you are times Marko you over complicate things in terms of research but miss the crucial bits.
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Post by markovitch1928 on Apr 25, 2024 8:57:05 GMT
Agreed. I was thinking that they have lending covenants in Magellan accounts so they've valued at 5x so they don't breach them, now or in the future. All perfectly normal, but it tells us there is debt somewhere.
I was also slightly hoping for at least one response from at least one expert involving white slavery, piatek being a waiter in Hawick or the bank cutting interest rates by 80% because of the development potential. Give it time
And right on cue, if I use the word development I'll get a discount. Is that what they teach on negotiating skills for fuds? An agent will want less money if he thinks his player will go on and play in the Premiership? Er, no
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Post by moose on Apr 25, 2024 9:05:14 GMT
Growth potential at Carlisle, really? Location, as far as the Romans got and thought fk this, no more . Ethos, no idea? Is it interesting, sitting in the reserves compared to playing first team football? Hm, let's see if jayden will leave his flat, his girlfriend, his mates, his family behind for, checks notes, no reason at all. Except money of course. Not everyone is stupid But you clearly are, you clearly are pulling at straws and its pathetic. You've come up with an idiotic concept in your head and I have to give you credit you keep going. He was meant to be on around £500 , so he's doubled his contract, got a chance to play a division high , double his wage , and get a 3 year deal ....that strikes me as a pretty good reason to move ? Give up Marko, I can argue with utmost arrogance as I know I am right , and you are wrong. I don't have a clue what he earns now, but he was on double what you are quoting when he was at Aldershot. It's quite possible he accepted similar for a 3 year deal, I don't know. But I'd be very surprised if he was on 2k per week. The difference between what the top players earn in The Conference and what Clubs pay in L2 isn't as big as people would believe. Wealdstone are the only part time team in the League, and I know exactly what their budget is. A lot of the other Clubs in the Conference have budgets that wouldn't be out of place in L2, so saying players would jump to L2 for half the salaries isn't necessarily true, although each individual will be different dependant on circumstances. There certainly isn't a flood of players coming out of the Conference in to L2, which would indicate the wage disparity isn't that big.
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Post by markovitch1928 on Apr 25, 2024 9:19:18 GMT
But you clearly are, you clearly are pulling at straws and its pathetic. You've come up with an idiotic concept in your head and I have to give you credit you keep going. He was meant to be on around £500 , so he's doubled his contract, got a chance to play a division high , double his wage , and get a 3 year deal ....that strikes me as a pretty good reason to move ? Give up Marko, I can argue with utmost arrogance as I know I am right , and you are wrong. I don't have a clue what he earns now, but he was on double what you are quoting when he was at Aldershot. It's quite possible he accepted similar for a 3 year deal, I don't know. But I'd be very surprised if he was on 2k per week. The difference between what the top players earn in The Conference and what Clubs pay in L2 isn't as big as people would believe. Wealdstone are the only part time team in the League, and I know exactly what their budget is. A lot of the other Clubs in the Conference have budgets that wouldn't be out of place in L2, so saying players would jump to L2 for half the salaries isn't necessarily true, although each individual will be different dependant on circumstances. There certainly isn't a flood of players coming out of the Conference in to L2, which would indicate the wage disparity isn't that big. We spent 1.85m the year we went up on first team wages. Taking out pfa fees, employers nic and insurance, minus higher division loan players you get something about 80k. Harris would expect to be a higher earner but he isn't getting bonuses as he's not playing so that'll bring him down. 2k is probably too high but it'll be top end ball park. It depends as well who paid appearance fees etc when he was at aldershot. I did not know there was only 1 part time team in the conference. Has that been long? We were the price Waterhouse accounting football team 35 years ago. Laffy will have done it as well as he did the same job as me. They were nearly all part time, or split then. Are you getting agents involved in loan deals as well now? Players get bonuses for coming on loan.
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Post by happyblue on Apr 25, 2024 9:20:21 GMT
Agreed. I was thinking that they have lending covenants in Magellan accounts so they've valued at 5x so they don't breach them, now or in the future. All perfectly normal, but it tells us there is debt somewhere. I was also slightly hoping for at least one response from at least one expert involving white slavery, piatek being a waiter in Hawick or the bank cutting interest rates by 80% because of the development potential. Give it time And right on cue, if I use the word development I'll get a discount. Is that what they teach on negotiating skills for fuds? An agent will want less money if he thinks his player will go on and play in the Premiership? Er, no Marko give up, your logic is so poor. Once again you mention discount? Are you actually ok, like have you taken a bang to the head ? Do you understand that average wage doesn't not mean everyone is paid that wage?. Let's have a look for example , Rasmus Hojlund went for a fee of £72 million by your logic he mist be one of highest paid players in the premier league but his rumoured wages are actually £80k. Also a fact is free agents often go on higher wages than transfers as the club has a lower initial outlay on the signing (very basic football knowledge) . Mccalmont was signed on a lot more than Harris , firstly were a league 1 club when we signed him, they were a couple of other suitors enquiring at the time (Simmo wanted him straight away but he wanted to look around a bit ) , he had played 74 games in the EFL across 3 seasons , with 26 in half a season in league 1 and he also had 4 northern island caps ...he's was seen as a coup. Marko I know for a fact I am right here , you think based on poor logic , I am not superblueabbott and make things up . I rarely claim to be in the know , and if you actually know who I am would take you two seconds to note I am actually quite close to many at the club, also the fact that I am in the same age group as a lot of the players , often go out where these players go out etc ...you tend to find pretty much everything. I just find it massively concerning that you still think Harris was a big earner, it actually scares me how little logic you are showing.
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Post by happyblue on Apr 25, 2024 9:28:35 GMT
I don't have a clue what he earns now, but he was on double what you are quoting when he was at Aldershot. It's quite possible he accepted similar for a 3 year deal, I don't know. But I'd be very surprised if he was on 2k per week. The difference between what the top players earn in The Conference and what Clubs pay in L2 isn't as big as people would believe. Wealdstone are the only part time team in the League, and I know exactly what their budget is. A lot of the other Clubs in the Conference have budgets that wouldn't be out of place in L2, so saying players would jump to L2 for half the salaries isn't necessarily true, although each individual will be different dependant on circumstances. There certainly isn't a flood of players coming out of the Conference in to L2, which would indicate the wage disparity isn't that big. We spent 1.85m the year we went up on first team wages. Taking out pfa fees, employers nic and insurance, minus higher division loan players you get something about 80k. Harris would expect to be a higher earner but he isn't getting bonuses as he's not playing so that'll bring him down. 2k is probably too high but it'll be top end ball park. It depends as well who paid appearance fees etc when he was at aldershot. I did not know there was only 1 part time team in the conference. Has that been long? We were the price Waterhouse accounting football team 35 years ago. Laffy will have done it as well as he did the same job as me. They were nearly all part time, or split then. Are you getting agents involved in loan deals as well now? Players get bonuses for coming on loan. Harris was not signed as a first team starter he was signed to hopefully develop and improve and his contract reflected that ...he would not have expected to be a high earner in the squad ...are you actually ok ?
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Post by northernsoul on Apr 25, 2024 9:32:47 GMT
Holdsworth left at the new year as I remember, Harris arrived later. I was disappointed to see we got no further information on the Harris back story. Bids so far on his earnings are The mere mention of the word development meant his agent was willing to take a 50% cut in wages. The ridiculous notion we paid him the going rate for a 4th division midfielder being signed for a fee. He was the victim of a human trafficking scam that cost 250k, that Paul Simpson was too busy to mention. Any more, I know stories why jayden wouldn't be paid the going rate? Just a shame jayden isn't as interesting on the field. Hopefully a field that will forever be in the Vauxhall conference with the owners paying us some % of his wage cost. Holdsworth left the day before Simmo arrived One of his conditions for taking the job was that was how it would work which was a great relief to all at the top of the club as the atmosphere was toxic on the few days he actually showed up at the club with his little digs and his pretending to be on the phone to Dubai a dozen times a day. And i see it looks like the brother is up to his old tricks again this time at Kidderminster wonder how he weedled his way in there ? I thought after what went on at Bolton he was life banned. But Kiddy fans are asking why would they give a new two year contract on 3 times the wages the previous manager was on to a manager with an awful record on any number of things who has just got them relegated.
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