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Post by paddockfarmer on May 1, 2024 16:35:56 GMT
I'd make him captain next season.
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Post by happyblue on May 1, 2024 16:40:25 GMT
I'd make him captain next season. Mellsih is passionate but that doesn't always make a good captain, feel that he is better when focusing on his own game .
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Post by ulverstonblue on May 1, 2024 16:43:03 GMT
I think if he left I think there would be numerous occasions next season when we would say, "we could have done with Jon Mellish". Conversely , if he stays , there will be a lot of FFS Mellish!! moments.
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Post by howie on May 1, 2024 19:04:56 GMT
I'd make him captain next season. For me he is far too quiet to be a captain. When do you ever seeing him organising the defence or giving someone a bollocking for not doing their job? If he has the necessary leadership skills, after 5 seasons you would think one of our managers would have spotted it by now. Even Chris Lumsden, admits he has been found out at League One level and if he wasn't good enough at that level this season why is he likely to be in future?
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Post by rob76 on May 1, 2024 19:42:42 GMT
I think Mellish will be a key player next season. Obviously it’s been a tough year but he would be my pick for player of the season.
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Post by paddockfarmer on May 1, 2024 21:03:08 GMT
I'd make him captain next season. For me he is far too quiet to be a captain. When do you ever seeing him organising the defence or giving someone a bollocking for not doing their job? If he has the necessary leadership skills, after 5 seasons you would think one of our managers would have spotted it by now. Even Chris Lumsden, admits he has been found out at League One level and if he wasn't good enough at that level this season why is he likely to be in future? Yeah he's a bit quiet but you can see he cares.
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Post by howie on May 1, 2024 21:20:36 GMT
For me he is far too quiet to be a captain. When do you ever seeing him organising the defence or giving someone a bollocking for not doing their job? If he has the necessary leadership skills, after 5 seasons you would think one of our managers would have spotted it by now. Even Chris Lumsden, admits he has been found out at League One level and if he wasn't good enough at that level this season why is he likely to be in future? Yeah he's a bit quiet but you can see he cares. Can't argue with that. His desire, attitude and physicality are his strongest attributes.
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Post by happyblue on May 1, 2024 21:20:50 GMT
I'd make him captain next season. For me he is far too quiet to be a captain. When do you ever seeing him organising the defence or giving someone a bollocking for not doing their job? If he has the necessary leadership skills, after 5 seasons you would think one of our managers would have spotted it by now. Even Chris Lumsden, admits he has been found out at League One level and if he wasn't good enough at that level this season why is he likely to be in future? I dont think he had , I think he's probably the only player who has shown he may be capable of the step up (with guy ) , opposition fans have mentioned to me they would take him too . You don't seem to like him but you can cleary see your in the minority. I agree he's not an captain, or an organiser , although he's definitely got all the attributes to be a good defender , quick (not rapid ) , strong and he's not that bad with the ball at his feet for a centre back, he has been having to play centre midfield, left back and centre back at the same time , he has had to the player who tries step out with the ball , tries to get forward and the player trying to defend . For me his big issue he has had to carry and do all the work out a failing team, and he's not good enough for that. Also if you asked Lumsdon if he wound keep Mellish he would 100% say yes , and he wound also say that Mellish will be ready for league 1 next time he plays there . The whole team probably would , that is what disappointing we needed league 1 players to help the league 2 once adapt, the teams confidennce was done by December.
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Post by howie on May 1, 2024 23:37:12 GMT
For me he is far too quiet to be a captain. When do you ever seeing him organising the defence or giving someone a bollocking for not doing their job? If he has the necessary leadership skills, after 5 seasons you would think one of our managers would have spotted it by now. Even Chris Lumsden, admits he has been found out at League One level and if he wasn't good enough at that level this season why is he likely to be in future? I dont think he had , I think he's probably the only player who has shown he may be capable of the step up (with guy ) , opposition fans have mentioned to me they would take him too . You don't seem to like him but you can cleary see your in the minority. I agree he's not an captain, or an organiser , although he's definitely got all the attributes to be a good defender , quick (not rapid ) , strong and he's not that bad with the ball at his feet for a centre back, he has been having to play centre midfield, left back and centre back at the same time , he has had to the player who tries step out with the ball , tries to get forward and the player trying to defend . For me his big issue he has had to carry and do all the work out a failing team, and he's not good enough for that. Also if you asked Lumsdon if he wound keep Mellish he would 100% say yes , and he wound also say that Mellish will be ready for league 1 next time he plays there . The whole team probably would , that is what disappointing we needed league 1 players to help the league 2 once adapt, the teams confidennce was done by December. Realistically how can anyone not "like" Jon Mellish? He gives 100% to the cause every game. If only more players had done that this season we may well have survived. No it would be wrong to say I don't like Jon Mellish. However that does not mean that he should be above criticism. Maybe it is Paul Simpson's fault but, if he is a good defender why isn't he selected and kept in that position. Our defence was abysmal this season and if we actually had a defender in our ranks thought capable of stopping the rot (or at least helping to) wouldn't it have been the simplest of decisions to select that player in defence and keep him there? For me, the problem is that, in the 5 seasons he has been with us. Jon has never really stamped his authority on any one role. Hence, even now, people are still debating on here what his best position might be. In some respects (although he is not as good) he reminds me of Paul Madeley when he was at Leeds. Madeley was highly regarded as a "utility player". In simple terms, he could fill in adequately in virtually any position, but was never regarded as good enough to hold down a permanent role in the team. In a perfect world I would love to see Jon Mellish kick on again next season and prove me wrong, but I am not holding my breath.
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Post by happyblue on May 1, 2024 23:40:45 GMT
I dont think he had , I think he's probably the only player who has shown he may be capable of the step up (with guy ) , opposition fans have mentioned to me they would take him too . You don't seem to like him but you can cleary see your in the minority. I agree he's not an captain, or an organiser , although he's definitely got all the attributes to be a good defender , quick (not rapid ) , strong and he's not that bad with the ball at his feet for a centre back, he has been having to play centre midfield, left back and centre back at the same time , he has had to the player who tries step out with the ball , tries to get forward and the player trying to defend . For me his big issue he has had to carry and do all the work out a failing team, and he's not good enough for that. Also if you asked Lumsdon if he wound keep Mellish he would 100% say yes , and he wound also say that Mellish will be ready for league 1 next time he plays there . The whole team probably would , that is what disappointing we needed league 1 players to help the league 2 once adapt, the teams confidennce was done by December. Realistically how can anyone not "like" Jon Mellish? He gives 100% to the cause every game. If only more players had done that this season we may well have survived. No it would be wrong to say I don't like Jon Mellish. However that does not mean that he should be above criticism. Maybe it is Paul Simpson's fault but, if he is a good defender why isn't he selected and kept in that position. Our defence was abysmal this season and if we actually had a defender in our ranks thought capable of stopping the rot (or at least helping to) wouldn't it have been the simplest of decisions to select that player in defence and keep him there? For me, the problem is that, in the 5 seasons he has been with us. Jon has never really stamped his authority on any one role. Hence, even now, people are still debating on here what his best position might be. In some respects (although he is not as good) he reminds me of Paul Madeley when he was at Leeds. Madeley was highly regarded as a "utility player". In simple terms, he could fill in adequately in virtually any position, but was never regarded as good enough to hold down a permanent role in the team. In a perfect world I would love to see Jon Mellish kick on again next season and prove me wrong, but I am not holding my breath. Why hasn't he kept his position? He's played every match...you've made this point twice now and it's makes no sense . He's only be moved because he's seen as the best option there , when we change tactics . That's a really poor argument hack, if also makes little logical sense. I think it shows how much Mellish is rated , that he wound rather him move position to make sure he keeps him in the team .
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Post by seabird on May 1, 2024 23:46:44 GMT
Mellish isn’t a leader ,infact he would benefit from a leader to guide him on a football pitch.Unfortunately we haven’t any leaders on the field .Along with all the rest of the squad none bar Guy have done anything to suggest they are consistently a good enough for league 1 . Quoted before,if we do bounce back it will be interesting to see how many of the current squad are still here.
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Post by howie on May 1, 2024 23:54:55 GMT
Realistically how can anyone not "like" Jon Mellish? He gives 100% to the cause every game. If only more players had done that this season we may well have survived. No it would be wrong to say I don't like Jon Mellish. However that does not mean that he should be above criticism. Maybe it is Paul Simpson's fault but, if he is a good defender why isn't he selected and kept in that position. Our defence was abysmal this season and if we actually had a defender in our ranks thought capable of stopping the rot (or at least helping to) wouldn't it have been the simplest of decisions to select that player in defence and keep him there? For me, the problem is that, in the 5 seasons he has been with us. Jon has never really stamped his authority on any one role. Hence, even now, people are still debating on here what his best position might be. In some respects (although he is not as good) he reminds me of Paul Madeley when he was at Leeds. Madeley was highly regarded as a "utility player". In simple terms, he could fill in adequately in virtually any position, but was never regarded as good enough to hold down a permanent role in the team. In a perfect world I would love to see Jon Mellish kick on again next season and prove me wrong, but I am not holding my breath. Why hasn't he kept his position? He's played every match...you've made this point twice now and it's makes no sense . He's only be moved because he's seen as the best option there , when we change tactics . That's a really poor argument hack, if also makes little logical sense. I think it shows how much Mellish is rated , that he wound rather him move position to make sure he keeps him in the team . Apologies Happy. I gave it my best shot. Maybe I am starting with Alzheimer's.
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Post by happyblue on May 2, 2024 0:16:24 GMT
Why hasn't he kept his position? He's played every match...you've made this point twice now and it's makes no sense . He's only be moved because he's seen as the best option there , when we change tactics . That's a really poor argument hack, if also makes little logical sense. I think it shows how much Mellish is rated , that he wound rather him move position to make sure he keeps him in the team . Apologies Happy. I gave it my best shot. Maybe I am starting with Alzheimer's. This was my point with you last time, you don't actually make a good argument. Once the fact are presented and what you say can't be easily counter argus with a little thininkig. If Mellish was seen as the issue in defence why would you even keep him on the pitch ? You wound sub him off , the fact that he is being left on the pitch shows that he's seen as essential, this was even pointed to in Simmos interviews of late. Like hack I don't think your points are bad In general just that is really really bad . Or it's would have been a priority to get a left sided centre back in January, when the player we tried to sign was to replace Huntington .
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Post by carnellblue on May 2, 2024 8:34:45 GMT
He tries hard and runs about a lot, but there is very little skill there. Hence the reason he's good for League 2, but when skill levels ramp up in League 1 and above he is a bit lost, in my opinion. Just play him in the back three and have him as the overlapping CB, leave the other two CBs back all the time, seems to be when he works best. Never a midfielder, other than he has an "engine" on him.
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Post by happyblue on May 2, 2024 8:43:39 GMT
He tries hard and runs about a lot, but there is very little skill there. Hence the reason he's good for League 2, but when skill levels ramp up in League 1 and above he is a bit lost, in my opinion. Just play him in the back three and have him as the overlapping CB, leave the other two CBs back all the time, seems to be when he works best. Never a midfielder, other than he has an "engine" on him. And the ability to score goals
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