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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 19:58:16 GMT
Who would you replace him with? He's only the second England manager to get to a major final and only the third to reach a World Cup semi final. In my life time England have tried every type of manager going since sacking Sir Alf. Revie, Greenwood, Robson,Taylor, Venables, Hoddle, Keegan, Sven, Capello, Hodgson. Some very successful club managers who could do absolutely nothing with England. They had some fantastic players. Some not so fantastic players. Even a 'golden generation' or two but Southgate has had more success than those on that list put together. Southgate undoubtedly has his faults but his record in tournament football is second only to Ramsey. If we could guarantee that there's someone out there who could take over and win the World Cup I would be more than happy to say bye bye to Southgate tomorrow. But we can't. With a decent manager we could have won both, Southgate is nothing but a yes man and has wasted a generational England team, how the **** can he not get Foden into this team, please tell me how? Henderson, Maguire, Phillips lol I only pick players in form, lying waistcoated ****. Howe should have got the call before he got the Newcastle job, even Potter would be a better bet than Southgate. You say Southgate has had success, no, no he hasn't, making a final is still losing, we lost to an Italy team that has done absolutely nothing in world football since.
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Post by uptheduke on Sept 10, 2023 20:12:54 GMT
Southgate has had comparative success. Better than what went before. It's so easy to say Howe or Potter would be better - until they get the job! Most thought Revie (well maybe Clough) was right for the job back in the day. Most of Southgates English predecessors had more success in club football than Howe and Potter but they all were dire as England manager. I like Foden and agree he should start for England but he's hardly set the world on fire when he has started. Maybe, just maybe, it's the players that have been the problem rather than the managers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 20:19:48 GMT
Southgate has had comparative success. Better than what went before. It's so easy to say Howe or Potter would be better - until they get the job! Most thought Revie (well maybe Clough) was right for the job back in the day. Most of Southgates English predecessors had more success in club football than Howe and Potter but they all were dire as England manager. I like Foden and agree he should start for England but he's hardly set the world on fire when he has started. Maybe, just maybe, it's the players that have been the problem rather than the managers.In the past, the Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard golden era of players, they weren't golden and the squad was divided due to club loyalty and in fighting. There is only Southgate holding this crop of youngsters back, there isn't really an argument to be had about it, it is visible to the naked eye every time you watch them play, safety first football, an awful way to play with such attacking talent at his finger tips, the fact he can't get Foden playing is indictive of his non talent as a manager.
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Post by bstandbob on Sept 10, 2023 20:52:17 GMT
Foden is often not selected for City as well, I'm starting to think that something is not quite right with him, technically he is absolutely outstanding, his touch and awareness is as good as I have ever seen from an English player. Based on ability he should be first on the team sheet for City and England. But for some reason he's in and out of the City team and rarely starts for England. Do agree though we should be throwing caution to the wind and letting other teams worry about the offensive quality we have and not playing 2 holding midfielders. Henderson and Maguire should not be in squad never mind the team
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Post by pigletphoenix on Sept 10, 2023 22:44:00 GMT
Foden started 22 games last season, the same number as Maherez, one fewer than Grealish, two fewer than Bernardo Silva.
De Bruyne had the shirt 28 times, Gundogan 27.
(League games only, obviously)
So the reality was there was nothing "wrong" with him, just that he was rotated like every other Manchester City midfielder by Guardiola last term.
Keeping his attacking midfielders fresh by rotating them was an absolute disaster for them last season, wasn't it?
Southgate doesn't pick him purely because he's a numpty, he has a hard-on for the likes of Maguire, Philips and Henderson. Says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 3:28:45 GMT
Who would you replace him with? He's only the second England manager to get to a major final and only the third to reach a World Cup semi final. In my life time England have tried every type of manager going since sacking Sir Alf. Revie, Greenwood, Robson,Taylor, Venables, Hoddle, Keegan, Sven, Capello, Hodgson. Some very successful club managers who could do absolutely nothing with England. They had some fantastic players. Some not so fantastic players. Even a 'golden generation' or two but Southgate has had more success than those on that list put together. Southgate undoubtedly has his faults but his record in tournament football is second only to Ramsey. If we could guarantee that there's someone out there who could take over and win the World Cup I would be more than happy to say bye bye to Southgate tomorrow. But we can't. What I hate about him is the PC crap.Got to balance also the players at hand.Yes the so called golden generation achieved nothing but hes a PC manager.Id have Eilidh Barbour.Says what shes told to say just like Southgate.As do all bbc employees.
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Post by bstandbob on Sept 11, 2023 8:18:31 GMT
Foden started 22 games last season, the same number as Maherez, one fewer than Grealish, two fewer than Bernardo Silva. De Bruyne had the shirt 28 times, Gundogan 27. (League games only, obviously) So the reality was there was nothing "wrong" with him, just that he was rotated like every other Manchester City midfielder by Guardiola last term. Keeping his attacking midfielders fresh by rotating them was an absolute disaster for them last season, wasn't it? Southgate doesn't pick him purely because he's a numpty, he has a hard-on for the likes of Maguire, Philips and Henderson. Says it all. It did feel like last season Pep was not stating him in games when you would have expected him to, however those stats prove that's not been the case. As you say though, should be the first name on the England team sheet. Southgate's tactics far too negative however I'm not sure we would have done any better in tournaments if anyone else was managing. I think based on the fact we have done better than average in the tournaments he's managed I think he's the right person to see us through the Euros then it's time for a change.
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Post by topstepwhinger on Sept 11, 2023 8:41:36 GMT
Man City rotate because they have better players than England, but England are not alone in this respect as other big footballing nations are in the same boat. Bayern Munich would probably beat Germany and Napoli would do the same against Italy for instance. The money is in club football, particularly in Europe, and I don't think players have the same hunger when they pull on their international shirts as they once did. You can just imagine the final words said to them by the likes of Pep, Jurgen and Arteta - it won't be go off and do your countries proud, it will be reminding them they have a big match against Liverpool the following weekend then a champions league game in midweek. Don't come back injured.
Foden and Bellingham would be the first names on the teamsheet for any half decent international manager anywhere in the world.
Southgate needs sacked now before yet another chance of international honours are wasted.
If getting stuffed by the jocks tomorrow night speeds it along, bring it on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 8:45:37 GMT
Man City rotate because they have better players than England, but England are not alone in this respect as other big footballing nations are in the same boat. Bayern Munich would probably beat Germany and Napoli would do the same against Italy for instance. The money is in club football, particularly in Europe, and I don't think players have the same hunger when they pull on their international shirts as they once did. You can just imagine the final words said to them by the likes of Pep, Jurgen and Arteta - it won't be go off and do your countries proud, it will be reminding them they have a big match against Liverpool the following weekend then a champions league game in midweek. Don't come back injured. Foden and Bellingham would be the first names on the teamsheet for any half decent international manager anywhere in the world. Southgate needs sacked now before yet another chance of international honours are wasted. If getting stuffed by the jocks tomorrow night speeds it along, bring it on. Yes he needs sacked.Neil Warnock anyone? not pc though.
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Post by weloveyoucarlisle on Sept 11, 2023 14:50:15 GMT
We also don't like Southgate's defensive style. But, in fairness to the lads, we'd almost qualified before the match in Poland - so why go all out and perhaps risk injury, with the season still in the early stages? Ukraine, by contrast, were playing to boost their country's morale - as well as trying to consolidate second spot in the table.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 15:30:17 GMT
Foden is often not selected for City as well, I'm starting to think that something is not quite right with him, technically he is absolutely outstanding, his touch and awareness is as good as I have ever seen from an English player. Based on ability he should be first on the team sheet for City and England. But for some reason he's in and out of the City team and rarely starts for England. Do agree though we should be throwing caution to the wind and letting other teams worry about the offensive quality we have and not playing 2 holding midfielders. Henderson and Maguire should not be in squad never mind the team Foden played 32 of 38 league games last season and was out with an appendix op for 3 weeks. 222 games by the age of 23 at the same age Paul Scholes had played 125 games btw I do agree on the rest of your post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 15:31:36 GMT
Foden started 22 games last season, the same number as Maherez, one fewer than Grealish, two fewer than Bernardo Silva. De Bruyne had the shirt 28 times, Gundogan 27. (League games only, obviously) So the reality was there was nothing "wrong" with him, just that he was rotated like every other Manchester City midfielder by Guardiola last term. Keeping his attacking midfielders fresh by rotating them was an absolute disaster for them last season, wasn't it? Southgate doesn't pick him purely because he's a numpty, he has a hard-on for the likes of Maguire, Philips and Henderson. Says it all. Easy tiger, I don't want to agree with you again, it's still only monday afterall.
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Post by moonie on Nov 17, 2023 21:57:43 GMT
Not the most convincing performance...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 23:09:30 GMT
Not the most convincing performance... Call it what it was, shit.
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Post by topstepwhinger on Nov 17, 2023 23:58:15 GMT
Carlisle would have drawn 0-0 with Malta.
That was absolute purgatory, negative, boring pish against the 171st ranked country in the world.
It's not too late, sack Southgate now. We will never win anything with him in charge and have already missed out on 2 tournaments we should have won had he not been so negative.
Who should replace him?. I really don't care. At the moment I would be happy with Greg Abbott?
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