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Post by frankclarkestash on Apr 21, 2024 15:23:44 GMT
Not how you run any sort of successful enterprise though is it ?? Instead of celebrating promotion the club sold it as if we had been punished, no time to get players, lowest budget in the league etc. Relegation was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Good job Luton didn’t feel the same way. We may as well have forfeited the play offs with the guff he’s come out with .
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 21, 2024 16:54:11 GMT
Instead of celebrating promotion the club sold it as if we had been punished, no time to get players, lowest budget in the league etc. Relegation was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Good job Luton didn’t feel the same way. We may as well have forfeited the play offs with the guff he’s come out with . Whatever happens with Luton this season at least they can take a bit of belief into next season and have a bit of pride in their team. Imagine if their manager had the same attitude as Simpson?
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Post by blue22 on Apr 21, 2024 17:21:14 GMT
If you've got a shedload of cash to spend, you're an idiot for advertising it. Storm in a teacup. Fair point, however after the season of crap we have just had, maybe the timing of him saying we have a mid/average budget wasnt great, he could of said we will not be held to ransom and the club will be sensible with the budget. I think talking about the size of a budget, small, average or large can be self defeating given the agents and players out there that will happily take the piss but I expect us to pay above average wages in the bottom league for above average players. if we want promotion and the Piataks are serious about moving forward, although not guaranteed success, it surely improves our odds of achieving it. Hopefully with new facilities coming on stream and some state of the art properties for them to live in, players we couldnt attact previously, we now have chance of getting.
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Post by nobbyblue on Apr 21, 2024 17:48:16 GMT
If you've got a shedload of cash to spend, you're an idiot for advertising it. Storm in a teacup. Fair point, however after the season of crap we have just had, maybe the timing of him saying we have a mid/average budget wasnt great, he could of said we will not be held to ransom and the club will be sensible with the budget. I think talking about the size of a budget, small, average or large can be self defeating given the agents and players out there that will happily take the piss but I expect us to pay above average wages in the bottom league for above average players. if we want promotion and the Piataks are serious about moving forward, although not guaranteed success, it surely improves our odds of achieving it. Hopefully with new facilities coming on stream and some state of the art properties for them to live in, players we couldnt attact previously, we now have chance of getting. It won’t matter what facilities we have if Abbott is picking the signings.
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Post by northernsoul on Apr 21, 2024 17:58:21 GMT
With no respect whatsoever this is your most ridiculous suggestion so far Piglet. Both the team and the infrastructure to support the team are equally as important. One will help the other. Can you just rejoice in the fact that we could just have found the owners who can provide both after years of owners who had neither the means or inclination to provide either! Maybe for the likes of Piglet and Mullen and one or two other short sighted ones I should replace 'rejoice' with 'show a tiny, tiny bit of positivity' My god there are some miserable ****ers on here. After this week's announcement of investment into the club and clarity on the resolution of the enormous debt the Piataks took responsibility for. Some of the pathetic attention seeking weirdos on this MB are really showing there true colours in what appears to be desperation. No desperation whatsoever Yesterday's revolution that the Yanks aren't capable of producing their ground changing budget is simply further confirmation that their take-over clearly isn't what it was made out to be.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 21, 2024 18:01:12 GMT
I think you mean "revelation" but your point is valid.
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Post by northernsoul on Apr 21, 2024 18:14:37 GMT
If you've got a shedload of cash to spend, you're an idiot for advertising it. Storm in a teacup. Not at all. doing so will vastly improve the quality of people interested in joining the project If i advertise 2 pub manager jobs one at 50k and one at 100k which one do you think will attract the best applicants ? Once youve got them in the door shown them all the good bits you explain to them what they have to do to make themselves worth the extra 50 grand.
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Post by pigletphoenix on Apr 21, 2024 18:20:27 GMT
I reckon the level of budget, in respect of individual discussions with agents and players, is a total red herring.
Players are going to ask whatever they think they're worth in the market regardless of your transfer budget.
They're not going to arrive in negotiations asking for a lower amount because you've pleaded poverty in the media. I suspect they don't give too much of a f***. It's all about what they think they should be paid, how much they're being offered elsewhere and whether they want to play for / work with the manager.
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Post by northernsoul on Apr 21, 2024 18:21:26 GMT
I have to admit I really can't see the point in disclosing what our budget will be. How on earth does he know that now anyway considering he doesn't even know which teams will be in that league yet? Definitely feels like the excuses are been made already for underachievement next season. I can't see how they know what the other teams' budgets are. Every club knows what every other clubs budget is You are given a list with the names redacted if you have someone half decent working in the back office it will take him 10 minutes to work it all out for instance there are good indicators of which are the promoted and relegated teams. So theres 30% your job done for you
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Post by theboydonegood on Apr 21, 2024 18:23:00 GMT
I can't see how they know what the other teams' budgets are. Every club knows what every other clubs budget is You are given a list with the names redacted if you have someone half decent working in the back office it will take him 10 minutes to work it all out for instance there are good indicators of which are the promoted and relegated teams. So theres 30% your job done for you Ah, right. So Simmo has that list now?
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Post by northernsoul on Apr 21, 2024 18:25:19 GMT
You just know we are going to struggle, or at best be bang average next season. Anyone got any evidence to the contrary? Why when we.ve supposedly been taken over by a bunch of Yanks who are so successful in business that cash wont be an issue ever again. And who have created an almost cult like following who all fall for every word they say.
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Post by markovitch1928 on Apr 21, 2024 18:34:16 GMT
I can't see how they know what the other teams' budgets are. Every club knows what every other clubs budget is You are given a list with the names redacted if you have someone half decent working in the back office it will take him 10 minutes to work it all out for instance there are good indicators of which are the promoted and relegated teams. So theres 30% your job done for you Why are they redacted? All the football clubs submit an estimate of turnover and their wage bill every quarter. They are then monitored to ensure they don't exceed the limits. If they are going to exceed they have to show how they will close the gap. It's possible to get access if you are affiliated, through fifa forward for example. Control over member expenditure is a system control that feeds through uefa and fifa
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Post by northernsoul on Apr 21, 2024 18:42:15 GMT
Every club knows what every other clubs budget is You are given a list with the names redacted if you have someone half decent working in the back office it will take him 10 minutes to work it all out for instance there are good indicators of which are the promoted and relegated teams. So theres 30% your job done for you Ah, right. So Simmo has that list now? No theyre not due in yet and i believe they take effect from June 30th. But he will have a copy of say both of the last two budgets. [Which is what you would imagine is what Simpson is using for his information ] so for a number of clubs who are in the same division and who've had no major investment or substantial changes there's no reason to say they won't be virtually the same in fact i was told that you can tell which figures relate to certain clubs [ for instance by correlating attendance figures to match day income ] its really not as hard as you'd think and that comes from someone who has the responsibility for doing that at a Lge 2 club.
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Post by rocket on Apr 21, 2024 18:44:58 GMT
I have to admit I really can't see the point in disclosing what our budget will be. How on earth does he know that now anyway considering he doesn't even know which teams will be in that league yet? Definitely feels like the excuses are been made already for underachievement next season. He's basically starting his excuses for when the brains trust f**k up the recruitment again this summer
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Post by northernsoul on Apr 21, 2024 18:50:07 GMT
Every club knows what every other clubs budget is You are given a list with the names redacted if you have someone half decent working in the back office it will take him 10 minutes to work it all out for instance there are good indicators of which are the promoted and relegated teams. So theres 30% your job done for you Why are they redacted? All the football clubs submit an estimate of turnover and their wage bill every quarter. They are then monitored to ensure they don't exceed the limits. If they are going to exceed they have to show how they will close the gap. It's possible to get access if you are affiliated, through fifa forward for example. Control over member expenditure is a system control that feeds through uefa and fifa Presumably because they think redaction provides a fairer system and it would do if it wasnt so easy to fathom out The figures are submitted twice a season not quarterly and can still be amended mid submission if say the Owner won the lottery and wanted to inject 50 million so long as he did it in a way that satisfies the FFP rules
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